Hey Conservatives, Want to Make a Little Wager?

I’m conservative, and yet I’m extremely pro-choice. That’s the problem with either side of the isle depicting people on the “other side” entirely one way or another.nConservatives, to my knowledge, have never claimed to be the “all inclusive” party. Liberals, on the other hand, claim to be “all inclusive”. Now, I don’t wonder why conservatives have issues with people NOT like them (because they do not espouse to be “all inclusive”). It just makes me wonder why liberals claim to be “all inclusive”, but in reality ONLY for those who think just like them. Odd. Very odd.nOne thing I notice more clearly about the liberal agenda is that if the electorate chooses something democratically, and the Liberals (in the minority) don’t like the outcome, they’re likely to try an end-around via a legal court case, or most recently, they flee a state, and leave the arena of democracy.nIf you don’t like what laws are enacted under a current government, then vote out that government when the next election comes up. But to leave your post as an elected leader, when you disagree with the majority (duly elected) in power, how shameful.

Here’s an exercise: write down what “conservative” means to you. Then find a handful of sources and compare their meaning of “conservative” to yours. I’m sure you’ll disagree with at least one of them. The terms “liberal” and “conservative” were pretty vague in the first place, and now they get co-opted by every side of every issue over and over. They’re virtually meaningless when used in this type of discussion. We need to start talking about individual issues and stop trying to split everyone up into two neat little teams whose members all have the same beliefs.

It should never be illegal to have options.

To leave your post, you mean like Sarah Palin?

see above

I’m a strong supporter of MoveOn, but on this issue you’re missing the point…. It’s not about being pro-choice…nnI don’t know a single liberal/progressive/democrat who is not PROLIFE. Most of us just TRUST WOMEN to make incredibly difficult decisions based on their life circumstances. nnWe have to question what leads women to consider abortion to begin with –lack of sex education, no access to birth control, lack of health care, poverty. All of these play a role and must be addressed. If we want to end abortions, then we must address the horrific conditions in which women find themselves. nnMy pro-life stance calls on me to move toward making the legality of abortions MEANINGLESS because no woman would ever have to go down that road. It is not about taking the option away. That’s just ridiculous and hurts women. It also treats women as if they are not intelligent enough to decide what is best for themselves and their families. If we’re truly going to end abortions we need to do this via ending poverty, providing universal health care to all citizens, through comprehensive sex-education, by demanding that birth-control be covered by insurance companies, and demanding an end to our disgustingly high infant mortality rate by offering prenatal and postnatal care to every pregnant woman. It also includes tougher laws and more diligent prosecution of men who don’t pay childcare. nnAgain, the point is to make the legality of abortions meaningless because it would be very rare for any woman would ever have to go down that road– and this would most likely be for medical reasons. nAbortion is never an easy “choice”. Nothing is black and white or that simple. The decision made by an individual woman to terminate a pregnancy is a difficult and often painful one and to describe it as anything less is disrespectful of women.

Liberals, on the other hand, claim to be “all inclusive”. nPlease show me where liberals CLAIM to be “all inclusive”

I disagree with categorizing all Liberals as being the same as much as you disagree with categorizing all Conservatives as being the same. That being said, I do agree that this joke card was mis-addressed. It might have read more accurately as ‘Hey Pro-lifer’s’ or ‘Hey anti-abortionists’.

Couple of comments here – its “flee”, not flea. nSecondly, when the dems had the majority in the house, weren’t the republicans essentially doing the same thing that you mentioned above? So, enough with the hypocrisy of yours.

i’m a conservative who one un-planned pregnancy am a very happily married father with now another one the way…bet taken!

I’m a conservative father who, one un-planned pregnancy later, am a HAPPILY MARRIED FATHER with another on the way…bet taken!

Abortion and divorce rates are higher in most of the “family values” red states than in the blue states. Hypocrites.

To be fair it’s kind of hard to intentionally implement an unplanned pregnancy.

Your arguement about using the legal system doesn’t really hold water. Conservatives for years have used the legal system to try to restrict reproductive rights. The most glaring example of conservatives using an end around however is the current legal challenges against the affidavit care act. Both sides use the legal system to hash out political decisions and laws they don’t like. In reality, aside from criminal law, this is the main function of the judicial branch of the government.

If we had a true democracy and politicians that are not financed by corporations and special interest, then I might agree with you. But this is not an even playing field. By the time the next election comes around, the current crew in power will have co-opted the process to an even further extent and so it goes.nnAnd if your last remark pertains to Sarah Palin, then I couldn’t disagree with you more. The only thing she disagreed with was the size of her paycheck. I give the woman credit for knowing how to seize her 15 minutes of fame and rake in the money in the process.

No one is pro-abortion. But sometimes, it might not be the worst of bad choices.nnIf a family watched a child die of a devastating genetic disease and learned that their current pregnancy was a child with the same disease, who has the right to force them to carry that child to term?nnWhat about a child with a structural defect that would result in the child’s death within days of birth. Who should make that decision?nnOr a woman with uncontrollable blood pressure too early in pregnancy for the child to survive. If the pregnancy is continued, both will die. Do you want to make that choice?nnA 12 year old raped by a family member -, too scared, hurt and embarrassed to tell anyone until it became obvious that she was pregnant.nnI believe that the only people who should even have input into a decision about abortion are the people directly involved. Politicians have absolutely no place in the discussion.

Dude, I’m conservative and I’m totally for killing innocent babies, but against killing guilty criminals. I’m soooo in the closet!!!!! You totally called me out! You guys sure are smart ; )

See, this is more proof that Liberals(progressives) are in it for themselves and not the general public. They demonize others who question and disagree with them. They have no interest in what the people want, just what they can get and who they have to hurt inorder to get it. The libs. have no moral compass or abortion would be illegal except in under certain circumstances. The libs. push to quite talk radio and limit or disreguard the two most important amendments to the constitution. The right to free speech and the right to bear arms. You will be defeated and forgotten. You will be looked upon as traitors to the American way of life. I don’t feel sorry for you, except for your stupidity, because you’ll deserve everything dished out. The American public has awakened and you’ll wish they hadn’t. It would be better if you were to stop promoting your far-left, radical agenda and just keep things to yourselves. Everytime you open your mouths something stupid comes out, so just SHUT UP…pls(lol).

do u intentionally have sex? If so then you have to understand it only takes one time to get knocked up.

Almost everything you wrote is an outright lie. You have no support for any of your “theories”. Obviously your worldview has been fed to you by the millionaires and billionaires that are out to exploit the dimwitted amongst us to their own ends. Good job you have made rush and his ilk very rich and in the process you have helped to destroy this country.

Duse, what a well reasoned and interestly written rebuttal. You obviously have your finger on the pulse of liberalism. Your ignorance is only outshined by your nack for limp sarcasm.

Totally! And the only person that should have to live with the consequences is the baby. I hate when women are inconvenienced by the consequences of sex.

Your views are sensible, but your terminology is off — that is not a “pro-life” stance as the term is actually used in our political sphere. That stance calls for making abortions illegal — it has none of the components you mention.

“Brilliant” … you are completely full of crap about what “Liberals” claim. You are an utter hypocrite.

It’s not a public matter when an innocent human life may or may not be taken? Wow. Interesting opinion. nnAs far as the 12 year old: Terrible and life-shattering situation, no argument, but why kill the baby? The bad already happened, killing the baby wont undo what happened. The girl should be protected from further abuse, have the baby and give it up for adoption if she or her family is unable/unwilling to care for it. Not a new thought by any means, but a basic one that’s often ignored. nnAs far as the blood pressure example, well, you have the one situation that is even presentable. When the baby will die anyways, though, the decision is no longer whether or not to kill the baby, but whether or not to save the mother. It may be necessary in this situation, but that doesn’t open the door to it’s acceptability reaching out to unplanned pregnancies that will make life more difficult for the parent/parents.

anti-choice is a “conservative” position, even if one or two conservatives somewhere disagree with it. However, none of the ones holding public power publicly disagree because they know that an anti-choice stance gets them votes from their base.

People who use the term “libs” have sub-par IQs, and Bill is a fine example.

How many times have you been knocked up, Bill?

Well, “Duse”, I’ve tried to put my “finger on the pulse of liberalism” and found it weak at best. Your liberal pulse beats, in disregard of the better good of the collective population, for the marginal comfort of the individual. You can paint it however you would like to, but in the end you’re taking an innocent human life when you abort. Call me ignorant if it helps you sleep at night. I can take it, but never accuse me of being “limp”. That’s just uncool.

Does that mean that they have to give you an unplanned pregnancy or do you have to give them one? I’m confused on the payoff from this bet. Either way, you are right, my friend! Thank you!

I think Mrs. Palin’s family has endured the “ideal” Republican answer to this “wager” which I find pretty tasteless. Believe me, I get ticked off at how easily Republicans judge what other people should do with their bodies, but get ticked when Michelle Obama suggests skipping dessert every once in awhile. It’s not hard to keep the higher ground here so let’s not lose it.

Good on the spelling. It was important to notice that detail. However, I don’t recall hearing that any Republicans in state congresses, nor Republicans in Washington DC left their posts in the prior two years, even while Obamacare was rammed down their throats. I await your response.

Who is taking an innocent life? It is Pro-choice not pro-abortion. It is not support for abortion as a means of contraception. It is support for Women’s right to have dominion over their own bodies. It is about a women’s right to receive a legitimate legal medical procedure for any number of legitimate reasons. Don’t give me that innocent life garbage. How many sleepless nights have you spent wringing your hands over the thousands of kids that starve to death everyday? How many sleepless nights have you spent mourning the tax payer funded murder of innocent children in any number of US “war” zones? nIt is totally about control over women because conservatives hate anything they fear or can not understand.

I may be a hypocrite, but I’m a polite hypocrite. I never resort to name calling, nor changing names of any political party (such as purported “news” outlets often do by calling the Tea Party group “Tea Baggers”). That’s just disrespectful.nI like to stick with the facts as I know them, offer them for debate, and I can handle the feedback, without resort to personal attack.nBelieve it or not, us folks more in the Libertarian camp can be respectful, even of those at polar opposite from us in their beliefs.

If the Republicans want to eliminate abortion they should be required to sign up to adopt all the unwanted children and pay for the expenses of the delivery.

So, you aren’t saying that women should kill their unborn babies, but it’s cool with you if they would like to? I think it would be cool if the babies had a choice. Let’s compromise: the parents can choose to kill the baby, but the baby gets to live until they are old enough to agree that they should be killed? The parents still have a choice. I really think this could work. Talk about legitimate medical procedure! This is a win win!

See how pro-choice I am? Everybody gets to choose!

All of my examples are real people that I know. You, obviously, have never watched a child die slowly and in pain from a genetic disease. It is not just “making life more difficult for the parents”, it is watching suffering and prolonged death. Once is more than enough.

Where do you get off telling any woman how to feel about her own reproductive choices? As a man you can just walk away, you will never have to live with the consequences of your choices if you don’t want to.

There are many things that bother me about the supposed pro-life movement.nnTO start with…life is not just about being BORN. BABIES grow up to be children, teen agers and FINALLY ADULTS!. It’s not like a BABY is just BORN and then raises itself! A baby needs MORE than just being born to thrive. A baby needs food, shelter, guidance and LOVE to become a fully functioning adult.nnA baby doesn’t just stay a baby. THE act of being BORN is only the beginning of the whole story of life, and if you actually think about it, it’s only a small part of life. nnSecond, do these ‘do gooders’ ever think of the unintended consequences of forcing a woman to have a child, they may not be prepared to have or want or can afford? I don’t see any of those pro-lifers VOLUNTEERING to care for the babies involved for the next 21 years…I’m not just talking about 1 potential child…I’m talking about ALL of them! nnThird, giving birth to a child and carrying a child to term causes ACTUAL physical symptoms to the mother. IT is literally physical…the woman’s body is INVOLVED in the whole process….like it or not. THUS the woman, her body and her mind are just as much involved as the fetus. nnFourth, carrying a child and giving a birth to a child are NOT the same thing as raising a well functioning adult. BACK to point one, it is only a small part of the whole process.nnAs the mother of two adult children….I am disgusted by how this debate is often framed, without REAL understanding of what goes in to motherhood. Motherhood is not for everyone nor should it be. Some people should not procreate. It’s NOT my nor anyone else decision to make who is capable of being a good mother….this should only be a decision of the person who is going to be doing it!

“Don’t give me that innocent life garbage.” That pretty much sums you up right there, doesn’t it now? Well, I actually spend plenty of time bummed out that life isn’t fair, and I feel saddened by the thought of children dying of hunger (let’s face it, of the two of us I’m obviously the one that isn’t a fan of kids dying). And when the last few reports came out from the OMB, I saw very little about the US funding the murder of children in war zones. I’m pretty sure we are actually against that. I did see a VW bug that had a bumper sticker that said something about it, though, so maybe you’re on to something? nn”It is totally about control over women because conservatives hate anything they fear or can not understand.” Come on, buddy. That’s as one dimensional as you can get. I’m not your run of the mill uneducated redneck that claims to be conservative because I don’t know anything else. There is the possibility that when women have abortions, they are exercising dominion over someone else’s body, as well. They can do what ever they want to their bodies, but when they rip apart and vacuum out the body of an unborn baby, well, that’s the part that doesn’t jive with us simple-minded conservatives. It may be less about control over the woman and more about compassion for the baby?

I don’t know why the Pro-Choice side ceded the term “Pro-Life” to the anti abortionists. What they really are is PRO-BIRTH. If you have ever seen the children who are struggling to get by with parents ill equipped to parent them or those born to drug/etoh using mothers you’d see that their LIFE is always not the gift we think it is. IMHO this difficult and terribly personal decision should only be left to the person most intimately involved after she is fully educated and supported in her choices BEFORE she finds herself in this situation and AFTER. It is she and her child who will after all have to live with the consequenses

I think i just saw a lot of these same talking points on the Sheen vs. Khaddafi vs. Beck game I just played. Let me guess, Beck right?

Do dividing embryonic cells = baby? At what point? Do you have a problem with IUD use?

Who said anything about telling women how to feel. Did I write anything about that and am now unaware of it? It is certainly their right to feel inconvenienced or blessed, or anyway they want to. It’s their right to love their child or to give it for adoption if they would like to/need to. It’s not their right to kill the child. Atleast it shouldn’t be!

You’re an amazing person,obviously. And obviously I haven’t seen a child slowly die. I do believe, however, that there are is right and wrong in life with a VERY narrow margin of grey. Mercy killing is, and always has been, murder. I have conceeded that there are times when the mother’s life is a priority, but that’s the only negotiable time that it is morally arguable to abort. A child with a disease is a child with the opportunity to live and enrich the world for a time. Did the parents of the child that you knew that had a genetic disease wish that they would have never known their child? They may wish that their child could have avoided the pain at almost any cost, but I’m sure that they felt that that child’s life had value, and that the world was made a better place as a result of that child.

My point is: The only people who have any place making this decision are the people who are directly involved. Not me, not you, not the politicians. nnThe family whose baby had the structural defect chose to carry him to term. He died 2 hours later. This is probably not the decision I would have made, but it was the right decision FOR THEM. This family was constantly told that they should have terminated the pregnancy since they knew the child could not survive.nnI am glad that they had the right to CHOOSE what was right for them

That isn’t at all liberal of you to suggest that the hard-working people with high moral values should bear the costs of those that dont want to take responsibility for their actions. Good call.

And the fact that he has the option to just walk away is what makes it easy for him to sit on this thread and condemn and judge women who have to go through making the terribly difficult decision about abortion. There are some people that completely abuse the fact that abortion is legal, but there are some cases (see above to Kim_E’s post, which Nate did not even fully address) when abortion is at least an option to be considered for the good of all.nnHis posts posit that he has all of this empathy for a person who doesn’t yet exist, but suddenly when it comes to the poor woman who actually has to make and LIVE with these decision, the only thing that he can do is villify them. So much for your empathy and concern for others. If you were truly caring of other people, you wouldn’t restrict you sentiments to only those who aren’t born. Instead, you can sit here and trash on women, whose position you will NEVER have to be in and act as though every woman who has had or considered an abortion is a bad person. That’s just sad.

Good ad. But you can be pro-life and pro-reason/choice at the same time. Pro-death is what the right is. no access to health care, shifting money from the bottom up, creating desperation, unending war…they like labels? let’s give them one. The pro-death party. and show exactly how that is true. and rip down the curtain on the wizards booth of fox spews!

Well said. I do not like this post. I’m very liberal, but I’m also very prolife. I’d also like to see abortions become unnecessary. If a mother’s life is at risk it should be considered a premature birth, not a late term abortion. Just change the language and the intent. Prevention should be the focus in other areas of possibilities.

Do you know what the funny all the people on here are right in there opinions . The bad thing is you just have to have someone to argue with . thats whats a matter its everyones right to have an opinion but you don’t have to belittle others in the process. when everyone starts reaching out to others and starts lending a hand to start fixing problems thats when things will start to get solved

If you’re going to use some of my other posts to say what I did’nt mention, take a look at all of them. I opine on the only morally sound reasons to consider abortion. I am fully aware of the situations that it is for the best, and I believe that there are far fewer situations than you may believe. nnIf I have been vilifying ALL of the women that do this, then I have misrepresented myself. Many times the women will take the easy way out, true, but i feel more angry with the siuation that they were allowed into than the women themselves. They should have never been given the choice to abort a child (not someone who doesn’t yet exist, a child that unarguably exists in some state). nnPeace, guys! Lets hope that our moral values will all align someday, for better or worse. Maybe someday the population of the world will be sooooo overblown that I will start to agree with you….. not likely, though!

You know, if I can convince one person that abortion is immoral, then I am HAPPY! I am, however, already happy that your “Peace, Love, and Chicken Grease” mantra is working for you.

Ok, I’m had enough of wachting the sane ones try to reason with you only to wind up back in the circle jerk that is today’s Repug party. So Nate I’m calling you out!nDebate me on this topic which should left to women to decide,(when we can get knocked up I’ll defer) as well as the beat down I’ll provide on these other’s. List your victories…this is what your ilk faces in 2012.n nThank you, Sarah, for being so STUPID.nThank you for being the darling of the radical right-wing extremists & theTea Party cult.nThank you for all the idiotic utterances, the hate, the fear-mongering that spews forth every time you open your mouth.nThank you for that obnoxiously grating voice that grinds on peopleu2019s nerves after 2 minutes of listening to you.nThank you for quitting your job as Governor of Alaska u2018cause you just couldnu2019t cut it!nThank you, Sarah, for demonstrating that you never mastered civics, geography, or any other subject above a 3rd grade level.nThank you for being the coward that you are in avoiding tough interviews u2018cause you canu2019t answer hardball questions intelligently.nThank you, Sarah, for showing the world how shallow, immature, and unstatesman-like you are with your annoying winks and insipid catch-phrases like u201cyou betchau201d.nThank you for using irresponsible and reprehensible gun imagery and reference innu201ctargetingu201d your political opponents.nnWE THANK YOU, SARAH, from the bottom of our hearts, for all these things will ENSURE that you will NEVER be President of the U.S.nnSincerely,nAll TRUE Patriotic American CitizensnRUN,SARAH,RUN and you willnLOSE,SARAH,LOSE!!nnTis is just Round One.n*Illbe back at 10:00pm

If a child cannot survive outside of it’s mother’s body, when do you start to make the distinction that a mother is exercising dominion over someone else’s body? When a fetus can survive on it’s own? If so, what about that time before, when the fetus is essentially a part of the mother’s body, as it could not continue to exist without it? If we were only talking about late-term abortions, your arguments would carry a lot more weight, but the fact is, this debate covers all abortions in all cases. nn

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“Abortion” is one topic that instantly polarizes people. I suspect the Republicans have used this to their advantage. Polarized, angry folks are distracted from the main event (looting the state and federal treasury, destroying social programs).nnI do like this card though!

ProLife_ProChoice, You GO!! i have been saying for years and years “i too want a world without abortion, i just believe in getting there diffently than you” in any and all pro-life-related discussions. nGive me a world where no woman is raped, no one coerced, no one denied effective, affordable birth control (that her partner will use!). When that is accomplished, we can discuss any limits to abortion rights. nI think if we all changed our dialogue to reflect their first concern (we too respect human life!!!), we will get a lot farther in improving women’s reproductive rights, which will accomplish part of our goal.

Actually, the “libs” have a lot of interest in what the people want. I, for one, want to make sure my basic human rights aren’t attacked and taken away. Or perhaps you don’t count women as people, which wouldn’t be surprising.

NO ONE is good enough to call someone else a hypocrite. So what does that make YOU?nnAnd I would like to see proof of what you say. It sounds like either you were lied to, or you made it up, which makes you a liar.

NO ONE is good enough to call someone else a hypocrite. So what does that make YOU?nnAnd I would like to see proof of what you say. It sounds like either you were lied to, or you made it up, which makes you a liar.

Who are you to say who should adopt and who shouldn’t? Not everyone CAN adopt.nnWhatever happened to personal responsibility? Having abortion legal and so easily accessed makes it easier for a woman to be irresponsible. Take that option away, and maybe she will think before she acts irresponsibly.nnBut that’s just like liberals. They try to please everyone. They believe in the “rights” of a woman, yet the father has no say at all.

And did the Democrats ever think about the consequences of abortion to the mother? The depression and other mental illnesses that the act of abortion causes? Studies show that a mother that has aborted a child can have years of depression and other problems even as much as 15-20 years down the road.nnHow many mothers that lived in poverty have had their children and both them and the children survived just fine?nnWho among us has the right to say that the child isn’t worthy of living?nnAnd one more thing: Aren’t you glad your mother didn’t abort YOU?

How is being against abortion considered not counting women as people when the act of abortion itself shows that the child isn’t counted as a person, and some of those children would have became women?nnAren’t you glad that you weren’t aborted?nnOf course, had you been aborted, you wouldn’t be around to be able to be glad about anything.

The father is just as much a parent of the baby as the mother. Why does the father have absolutely no say?nnEven the mother has no right to kill her baby.

It’s considered not counting women as people because it’s denying them autonomy and the right to their own bodies.nA fetus is not a child yet. If child welfare is what’s important here, consider giving your energies to something like ensuring poor families have access to adequate medical care, food, education and other resources.nn”Aren’t you glad that you weren’t aborted?”nnI don’t know why this would be construed as a convincing or rational argument. You refute it yourself in your next sentence.

Most people who say they are Pro-Life are not. They are Anti-Abortion. Most don’t give a rats tushy what happens the child after they are born… SEE EXAMPLE:MILWAUKEE’S NORTH SIDE…, foster care and unwanted abused children out there…nnBeing Pro-Choice just makes everyone free to choose. I promise not to vote against your right to carry a gun or pray to a god I don’t believe in, however don’t vote against my right to have a choice. It’s about taking the choice away!! Take my choice away I will work hard to take all of your choices away and not give you the equal rights I want to have.

I am a conservative father too. About 16 years ago, I got a woman pregnant. Although the marriage didn’t last, one reason I married her is because I wanted to be responsible. Another reason I married her is because I wanted to give her and the child support so that she wouldn’t take the easy way out and get an abortion.nnAnd I’m so glad she didn’t get an abortion. I have the most wonderful 15 year old daughter and father can have.nnIt bothers me that in these corrupt times that her mother could have aborted my wonderful daughter and that I would have had no say in it. Those that are pro-abortion, those that would support such an injustice to fathers and children, should be ashamed of themselves.

If the women are responsible for all unwanted pregnancies, who is responsible for the product of rape or incest?

It is sad that the anti-Choice crowd doesn’t have the same compassion for post-fetal children that they do for all the fetus’. If that anger and passion could be put to use demanding society makes comprehensive sex education mandatory in schools; that society ensures that every pregnant woman has the best prenatal care; that every child has the opportunity for the best public school education, this entire conversation would become moot in a single generation.nnLike I said – Sad. So many with so much passion and anger… all directed at the wrong d*mned subject.

So you AREN’T glad you weren’t aborted?nnI didn’t refute myself in the next sentence. In fact, that last sentence furthers my point. That point (although maybe it wasn’t expressed in a clear way) is that if you had been aborted, you wouldn’t be a person with the rights you have today. You wouldn’t have ANY rights, because someone else would have killed you before you were born, denying you of your rights.nnYou weren’t denied your rights by being aborted. So why deny any other fetus the rights they would have as an adult by supporting abortion? Why deny the fetus the right to be born, the right of having a life, and why keep it from realizing it’s full potential in life?nnThe fetus is ALIVE as soon as the egg and sperm come together. And to abort a live fetus is MURDER.nnDid you know that if a person murders a pregnant woman that they can be charged with 2 murders?nnYet the pregnant woman can have an abortion and it’s considered okay. Doesn’t this strike you as ironic?

Men cannot make decisions or even try to make decisions for WOMEN. When you start getting pregnant and going through what ‘women do let me know. Before than… Don;t even bother.

Quite obviously, the person who committed the rape or incest. And that person should pay dearly through the legal system.nnBut even then, the baby that comes about through rape and incest is innocent. As humans, who are we to say which babies should live or die? Who has to right to say that a baby that is the product of rape or incest won’t turn out to be some great person that invents great things?nnBesides, statistically, abortions due to rape and incest combined are in the minority of total abortions. Abortion is way too often used a retroactive birth control.nnAgain, whatever happened to personal responsibility?

Here’s proof and a well-known fact. If you care so much about being pro-life, then provide women with free birth control options, good sex education. The GOPs cuts to Planned Parenthood will result in many, many more unplanned pregnancies. This is not about life, this is about controlling women. Get a clue

I am glad to exist, if that’s what you’re asking–However, if you were to ask whether you thought my mother should have been coerced into giving birth to me if she’d not wanted to, my answer would be no. And I think, even if you don’t realize it, that’s exactly what you are asking.nnSadly, we are not going to agree here, because I think the rights of born, sentient people trump the rights of zygotes. By a long shot.nnI also don’t believe in ensoulment, so I see no convincing reason whatsoever to consider a zygote a human being. nn”Yet the pregnant woman can have an abortion and it’s considered okay. Doesn’t this strike you as ironic?”nnNope.

Hmmmmm you cant even CARRY a baby and will NEVER know what it’s like to carry one, or the emotional and physical stresses of everything that goes with it. Men, especially 60 yr old republican upper class men, will NEVER be able to speak for ANY woman. Keep your mouth shut because women will stick together. You didn’t even say anything meaningful in your post just bullcrap. MEN NEED TO STOP COMMENTING ON THIS BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL EVER KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO CARRY A CHILD SO YOU CANNOT EVER COMMENT ON WHAT WOMEN WHO CARRY THE BABY WILL OR WILL NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH. jUST ANOTHER WAY TO TRY AND CONTROL WOMEN.

Heard of post-partum depression?nnThe idea that every woman who has an abortion is going to be disturbed and depressed is a myth.

Who are YOU to say a woman should give birth to a rape/incest baby? How would you like to be raped and then told…”sorry, gotta keep and raise it”. You are BS…through and through. Go take your holier then thou crapola and shove it.

Actually I wish my mother had the decency to have aborted me…I don’t particularly CARE for this world and the idiots in it, who constantly do things that AFFECT others lives in a negative way. I don’t think our world is all that fantastic…but of course I live in REALITY and without rose colored glasses. nnAND as a WOMAN who actually CARRIED two children inside her and miscarried a third…I think I probably know more about the physical and mental effects of child bearing and loss than you do… nnYOU pointed to a study, not actual personal experience. In other words…a limited viewpoint.

BTW…you do realize ALL humans are mortal, correct?nnMEANING some day you are going to die…it might not be for a long time…it might be tomorrow…you never know. However, if you had never been born, it would be of no consequence now would it?

Exactly. I know quite a few women who are FOREVER grateful that they terminated, as that time in their lives was not appropriate for them to become mothers.

And lastly… I notice how you conveniently ignored the gist of my post. NEVER did I mention wealth or poverty, did I?

Someone must be Honest… A person knows when they just do not want or are not ready to have Children. If you make it Legal & Easy to kill the Child… then why complain it is going to happen. Gov or no Gov you may as well make it Safe!!! Sorry However, Time for all of us in this World to grow-up. Although it is not Right… and we may not like it… #God gave ALL FREE CHOICE!!! He will ultimately be our Judge & Jury! nMay Peace b w/u All & b Blessed!!!

It’s interesting when people who have never had firsthand experience with pregnancy somehow think they are better qualified to speak to the topic of abortion than women who have been pregnant.nnAnother thing I thought of in response to the oft-disgorged “aren’t you glad your mother didn’t abort YOU?” straw man: Besides that I wouldn’t be around to care, maybe my mother would have been better off if I’d been aborted. Maybe, without a perceived incentive to stay in a loveless marriage, she’d have gotten out sooner and met a nice man she was actually compatible with. I’m glad to be alive but who am I to say that my life was the only acceptable outcome of my mother’s circumstances and decisions?

Trust #God it is the worst of bad choices! I put it like this, God is watching & there has to be a reason He allows this to be available! However, what if he just wants to see what you Believe? Who do You think is in charge of Life You or #GOD?!?! God will always make a way maybe just not our way… ^_^

THERE IS “NEVER” A REAL REASON FOR ABORTION… ALL DECISIONS ARE ALREADY MADE b4 We WERE THOUGHT OF. However, CHOICE IS & WAS ALREADY PROMISED IN THE BEGINNING OF TIME! TRUST THAT THERE IS A PRICE to Pay FOR EVERY CHOICE, It is Written that GOOD & BAD CHOICES WILL ALL BE ACCOUNTED 4 in due time… Praise God & ask for Forgiveness. I Believe in #GODs FREE CHOICE With much Education… I also believe there are far too many well-intentioned but misguided PpL Male & Female. Judgment is the Business of #GOD! nPraying for ALL

LIFE IS WHAT LIFE IS. If you or a Child shld die b/c of Child-Birth Complications then you Die due to the fact that its your time to die. In the event that the Child Lives then it was meant to be. Who can make that call but God?!? Any other call not made in the natural is Mans call… there will be a price to pay in due time when Man overrules Gods Plan for Life or death if not now…wait!

Why is it only the woman who is irresponsible when an unwanted pregnancy occurs?

WOW! You have just proven that WORDs DO MATTER AFTER-ALL! However, Choose Wisely… b/c God knows the TRUE intent of a Mans Heart!!! ^_^ Praying 4 All involved.

If you’re parents had decided to abort you all, I guess you all wouldn’t be here to make these dumb arguments. I guess if you had been aborted, you wouldn’t be here to make it seem it is worthy to kill a baby, as long as it wasn’t you. Call me a conservative, but I dare you to post this comment, because you know it is the truth. Of course, if you were aborted, you wouldn’t be around to make that decision.

Remember the 30s 40s 50s 60s History Proves OVERWHELMINGLY that removing this Abortion Option would not be a responsible option this is why God gave All PpL Free WILL… {In order for all to call on Him in the Name of Jesus} b/c there is no other way to make this right! nRomans 14:11 It is written: n u201cu2018As surely as I live,u2019 says the Lord, nu2018every knee will bow before me; n every tongue will acknowledge God.

SATAN! … now Plz PRAY for all involved

I tell all the TRUTH there is a GOV Program for any Child Born under the Sun in USA & a CHURCH on every Corner who shld take the Family Woman & or Child born into care we All are Personally Responsible!!! nWe are all hurting & shld help 1-another throughout this Life, its only a TEST to see if you have what God has required of you to Fight the GOOD Fight In the name of Christ Jesus!?! There is a Price to Pay for those who ignore others. nMatthew 22:37-40 n37 Jesus said to him, u201c u2018You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.u2019[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: u2018You shall love your neighbor as yourself. nPeace b w/u all.

No one should ever be RAPED & incest is just a cover-up word for RAPE of a Child so is molestation these words were created by Men to make it seem less of a crime DON”T BE FOOLED nHowever a Woman Chooses is her Business! {very Personal very PRIVATE} God will Judge accordingly knowing her Personal Pain & the strain she has been placed under… God knows the diff btwn “Escape” for Life / Death & Birth-control give God all the GLORY!!! AMEN ^_^

I am pro-choice but I am smart enough to realize that my opinion doesn’t matter. I am a man and therefore do not have a womb so I will shut up now.

Personal responsibility is not an acquired characteristic. Cuts to sex education also means cuts to teaching children how to be responsible for their actions, say no to pressure, and to see help and support. We cannot expect children to be responsible adults without teaching them how.nnIt’s not about personal responsibility, it’s about being educated before making decisions.

why is it that men have no choice when a woman is pregnant. It did take two. If the woman wants to abort the baby, the man has no say-even knowing half of his flesh and blood is in her body. I always hear,” its not your body”, but it is my baby. The story changes when the woman wants to keep the baby -now she expects support from the father and all of a sudden, its his kid now-I am confused on this matter. Sometimes you need us and sometimes you don’t. Just for the record- women go through pregnancy for 9 months -try and support that baby and the mother for a life time-I ll take the 9 months of child birth any day. You are clueless and selfish. Ask the child if he or she wants to live or die-I bet life will be the answer.

You are amazing. Most of my female friends tell me that carrying a child was the best and most rewarding thing they have ever experienced. Yes at times very difficult and painful but bringing your own child in to this world is more then worth it. Stop telling everyone how hard it was. You sound like a very selfish and self-centered person. So you had hard times for 9 months-wow – not a whole nine months to sacrifice for the life of a child. God gave us this gift for a reason-think about it and not yourself.

Wait a minute. You quote the Bible, yet you think it’s okay to murder a fetus with abortion? The same fetus that was created by the same God who inspired the Bible that you quote?nnThat just doesn’t sound right. You choose to quote parts of the Bible, yet you ignore what that same Bible says about creation and conception?

I never said it was only the woman ONLY the woman who is responsible.nnWhy is it ONLY the woman’s choice in circumstances where the IS a father who WANTS to be a father?

So since you can’t make a viable and logical argument, you have to label me “holier than thou” just because I disagree with you?nnSo tell me, why should the child not be given the right to live because of what happened to the mother?

Nate, nI am a child who was adopted and I don’t even know if there was any drama surrounding my conception. It took me close to 30 years to deal with the feelings of not being wanted by my birth mother; even though I can intellectually realize that she did what was best for me, this is very normal for adopted children. nImagine if you found out that your life began in the most horrible and vile way possible, through rape. No man can truly understand what a woman/girl/child feels when raped. To then allow the government to force (again) any woman/girl to keep a child growing inside them for 10 months (and yes, it is a total of 10) is usually too intense emotionally to allow for a healthy child to be born, the most important thing that any OBGYN will tell you as a pregnant woman is to reduce stress and studies have shown that stress does affect the growing childu2019s DNA. Every ache, pain, growth, kick, etc is just another reminder of what was taken from you. To force a child to have a child that is the product of rape IS NOT protecting her from further abuse, it is forcing her to relive it every second of every day that she feels half of her merging and creating a new person with half the monster that forever changed her life and outlook already. n

There are tens of thousands of families will to adopt babies, even the very sick ones. Call Birthright, or Arbor Vitea or any Catholic Church. All of this is offered to anyone willing to let their babies live.

Divorce is higher in red states because in blue states many don’t marry at all. They just cohabitate. New York is the abortion capital of the world. It is not a red state.

How sad. This card implies the writer knows how evil abortion is and does it anyway out of fear, despair, selfishness or shame. Misery does love company. All people sometimes give into their feelings of hopelessness. We all need forgiveness for this. There is a better way. It is called noble sacrifice. A mother gives life to a new, unique, unrepeatable human being born to love and to be loved. There will be struggles, but there are people who will help. Call any pro-lfe center, any Catholic Church, or Birthright. Bringing a new life into the world is a wonderful thing. Do not give up HOPE!

I am a woman. I have been raped. I have carried a baby. I am not 60 years old. Nor an upper class republican. I am however, prolife. I believe in equal rights for all human beings and the most basic right is the right to life. I do hope women stick together to protect our future generations and eachother. Women are strong and mighty and this is why abortion needs to be abolished.

Nate Bedford’ I’m back. I see my post has not only brought you out but others into the mix. With all do respect, Karen W. it would be nice to keep a “higher ground”. In St.Louis we do not bargain with hippocrates. My post stands Bedford, Inotice you not address the case of . I mock you and your dying party. The deabte terms stand. Explain Why You or The Govt,. Has a RIGHT to interfer with a Private Choice. Or sticking your head in a (vigisil) makes you a tuf guy?n*ps. also explain why the actress’s having a baby “out of wedlock” at 29 is BAD. But Bristol Palin getting knocked up at 16 is GOOD. Check with Huckaberry on this one.

No, Bedford, you just hate woman. Closet types like you make it hard on men that know how to treat the ladies. I bet Sen. “looking for sex in the airport bathroom” was your hero.

Are you glad you were’nt born retarded. But then again you would’nt know would you? But then again your asine reponse sure sounds like it to me. How does it feel to be a relic of the past?

N. Bedford,would you allow women to regulate your dick? It’s just that some guys want men to be men and women to be women and are not afraid of that. Were you abused as a child?

Does a baby deserve to die for the sins of her father?

N. Bedford, I hate to be the bearer of bad news,but in 2012 a large % of women are going to vote. I know you would rather that not happen, but it is what it is. You and your reprobate kindred will be savagely “raped”. I guess you can say the shoe will be on the other foot. I love the women of this world, and I am salivating at the prospect of the total and complete porking you and the REPPUBIKAN paryt will take. In the mean time, Love Peace Soul!

Samatha,nMen love their children, too. I am sorry you have never experienced the love of a good man. Have you ever been loved at all? As a wife of a good man and the mother of six children, I can tell you that their are fathers who would die for their children. You are so impoverished that you confuse love with power. I am sorry for you.

Wow, you have no facts to actually refute my response, so as a result you make a typical negative liberal response by giving me a negative label.nnAmazing…nnA fetus dying as a result of the murder of the mother is considered a murder, yet the mother aborting the fetus is not considered murder.nnLogic and sound reasoning show that this is ironic and an injustice.

Thanks for telling it like it is, Katlyn. I dare anyone to say that you are anti-woman. But then again, the typical liberal will find a way to put you down because of your beliefs.nnBRAVO! Stay strong!

Elizabeth, nAre you saying that a baby deserves to die for the sins of her father? Every person, even the child of a rapist, has a free will and can grow into a good person. Living, knowing you have killed your child, is far worse than the nine month of achy back you get from a pregnancy. Bad things happen to everyone. You can choose to be selfish or noble. Nobility brings lots more happiness than selfishness.

You state: “Ask the child if he or she wants to live or die-I bet life will be the answer.”nnHad I been asked before I was born I would have said: “Get me out of here! I don’t want to go through life as an enterance exam for your heaven. I want my ticket punched straight for that place called “heaven.” nnIf I can’t have that I’ll stay where I am. nn

For all of you really interested in this subject, Kirsten Powers has a great article called “Busting the Birth Control Myth” today on the Daily Beast. From her reseach it appears that defunding Planned Parenthood will not increase the abortion rate. Of course, Pope Paul VI said the same thing in Humanae Vitae.

Ever been pregnant, Nate? Hear of morning sicknes? Eclampsia? Ruptured uteruses? nnPregnancy is far more dangerous than abortion, and even more so the younger the girl/woman. nnAnd also think about the revulsion of carrying the child of a brutal rapist. Must be like being raped every day.nnThis is not a minor, temporary matter. Pregnancy is a life-altering experience. It should be the happiest time of a woman’s life. Not a tragedy that is forced on her.nnFinally, if you were not born with a uterus and vagina, you have no say in this. PERIOD.

When men get pregnant and give birth, then they will have a say. Until then, no, my friend, it is NOT half of the man’s “flesh and blood” in her body. It is SOLELY her body that is used.nnWe have a name for forcing someone to use their body against their will for the benefit of others: It’s called SLAVERY.

Then YOU be noble. Leave the rest of us out of your philosophy. nnAnd how “noble” is it to be FORCED BY LAW to allow your body to be used by the spawn of a criminal? To me, that is just plain sickening.

I’ll take my chances with God. It’s humans I’ve worried about!!

“Personal responsibility” meaning: women shouldn’t have sex because they might get pregnant? That’s really the bottom line. Because NO birth control is fail-safe.nn

So a baby does deserve to die for the sins of her father. That “spawn of a criminal” is not worthy of life. So pathetically sad that you can think of nothing but yourself. Bitterness and hatred are a bad place for your heart to live.

Let’s just put the “pro life” issue to rest, shall we. NO ONE is always “pro life.” Every society accepts and even condones killing, including the death of the innocent – in war, in self-defense, by accident, to protect another. nnSo the abortion debate is not about “pro life” or “protecting the lives of innocents”. Innocents WILL be killed, knowingly and willfully e.g. in war. The abortion argument is really about 1) who gets to make the decision? and 2) under what conditions?nnAnd finally, if State has the right to decide that a woman cannot have an abortion, then the obviously corollary is that the State has the right to decide that a woman MUST have an abortion. Either the woman controls her reproduction or the State does. That’s the real issue.

Worf, I’m glad you responed. Like maggots on flesh, you could not resist. It is in your nature. I own you now. It’s nothing personal, like the repugs, only bisness. I track euchuchs like you that hate women and because you think somehow the 1950′s and the conferderates will live again. Be a man, I want to debate you, No talking points. If you do not accept, I will track the next Jethro. The subject Is want has the Repugs done to offer the people to date, against what have the demos offered to date. Facts,Not Opionon.I have saved your post as a example “of the lost cause”. It must be frighting be be a weak a man as you.

Worf, (as in alein) you offend me on every level I can think of as a man. Did you kiss your mama with that mouth? Is that how you felt about your beloved sisters,your aunts, or are They different? I am Your mortal enemy, who will win….who will lose……the women of 2012 will decide!

MilB,that’s how I fell as you will see in later posts. Real men don’t want women to regulate our dicks. Just like, between me and you,lets face it, we know they can be trusted. ALL THE WAY!nn* Luv me some sweet smelling babes!!

What is this…seriously, a greeting card.

CV, not sad at all. The vast majority of this movement is ran by men. I will only ask you as a man, back in the old days,we were taught we “knew better”. IT, ON SOME THINGS AND OTHERS WAS A LIE! But,it’s not to late. As A lib (thank you Jesus) I am free around my female species. It is a new time and life,I trust them as much as any man( more in truth). One day, if we make it, more than likely the chicks will be in charge. nn* stay thirsty my friend

I am sorry for what your family has been through. Unfortunately, you have put you and your family in the spotlight…….what were you thinking, seriously. Your story is either BS, or you are 1 heartless individual…….

For some reason there was no way to reply to the response where you called me “Worf” (below), so I will do it here.nnFirst off, I do NOT hate women. Just like what you showed me already, cannot address anything I post with logic and sound reasoning, so instead you call me names and make false accusations.nnAnd not only did you show how you cannot come up with logic and sound reasoning by the way you responded, while spewing your attack, you further showed a lack of intelligence by misspelling quite a few words in your post.nnIn fact, it appears by your post that you are drunk and/or high on drugs. Or possibly mentally insane, which could also have been caused my sever alcohol and drug use.nnWhy does that not surprise me?nnIf the Democrats need people like you to defend them, then the Democratic party is surely in trouble.

Well that’s one possible way to be responsible. Another is to have the baby and either keep it or adopt it out to a married couple who will raise the child in a responsible manner.nnRegardless, having abortion as an easy alternative allows an irresponsible mother (and/or father) to escape the consequences of their actions. By allowing this, it does nothing to discourage irresponsibility.

DC,your arguments are concise. However you waste your time on t-baggerrs for logic of state has no meaning to them what so ever.This is why I prefer to ridicule and mock them. Your approach and mine in essence acheives the same result.The real issue is they have awacked the sleeping giant. I look foward to ’12, then they will be caste out ounce a for all

And I’ll see your unwanted pregnancy and raise you another unwanted pregnancy.nYep, I had two birth control failures, at the worst possible times.nnI, however, am not a conservative. I’m a pro-life, pro-birth control, pro-sex, pro-gay rights, antiwar bisexual vegetarian socialist atheist left-wing green party member.

And I’ll see your unwanted pregnancy and raise you another unwanted pregnancy.nYep, I had two birth control failures, at the worst possible times.nnI, however, am not a conservative. I’m a pro-life, pro-birth control, pro-sex, pro-gay rights, antiwar bisexual vegetarian socialist atheist left-wing green party member.

Lucky us to have someone like you on earth-by the way, keep thinking abortion is ok -God willnot be the one punching your ticket. I have one question-its not about the government telling you what you can and can’t do with your body. Is having an abortion killing a child or is it ??????

No Worf, I think you do hate women. Your profile speakes for itself. Why don’t you state your case as to why you would deny the same options to a stranger as you would give to mommy, sis, your Daughter….ect. I suspect they may have made those choices without telling you. But then why should they, it’s none of your bisness.nn*did I spell that ok punk?

Ok with rape, incest? Is that your birthright? You are one sick twisted Sissy!

How sad, you offer such worthless plattitudes. NVM, are you a man or a woman. If a man, you make me want to vomit.nn*take your noble sacrifice and shove it up your a$$$!

So based on this logic-If a woman told you that having an abortion is wrong -would that make it right or ok to listen to. I see you missed the point completely. So its wrong for me ,because I am a man, to not want women to kill babies. Who is “forcing someone to use their bodies against their will to benefit others”. Please explain. Does the woman ask the baby before she aborts it, if he or she wants to live or die. When a woman aborts a baby to benefit herself and her situation is it ok then. When a woman has sex and gets pregnant wasn’t she using her body to benefit herself no matter what the consequence are-like having a baby. Slavery-really. Yes its your body-but woman need to stop using abortions as birth control. One more think -if the baby is solely hers because it grew inside her, why do women want child support from men? Basically in your eyes the man has no rights to that baby,unless you need us, because the baby grew inside her body. Wow- I am glad God gave us this gift especially for people like you. By the way ,wasn’t Eve created from Adam. Very selfish

They should have never been given the choice!….I used to beat up little sissys like you innin third grade. It was easy because they were republicans. Of course they still had as many abortions as daddy could affrord back then. But they were righteous folk. You punks are pathectic!

Worf, I’m calling you a liar, HYPOCRITE,rapist and closest homosexual. Prove that you are not! You got ten seconds or it’s all *true.nn*see how it works?

Euiu, spoken like a woman!nn*(worf,this is why you will lose)

Melbo58, You stalk pro-choice marches to find babes to have with. They all put out.

You are a stalker and a pervert!

See jackrOFF, that’s what I’m talking about! You sorry bastards are allways talking about some sick twisted deviate crap that normal men don’t even consider. Your daddy’s must have been real querrs. You need to check yourself man. You’ll never get a date that way.

What a punk, man. I could take your woman from you blind, crippled and/or crazy. What you think is funny is really..really is gay. And I say that as an insult to you not gays.nn*(shave your arms….what a little Bitch.

By the way all you T-baggers…….the protests in WI,you showed up 1 time and haven’t been seen or heard of since. You guy’s ain’t -on-broke-a$$ stick! Yea I said it, whatcha gonna do about it!nnnYo’ mammas too!

Liar.

You are a sick and twisted excuse of a man to say such a thing. Pro-rape are you. Make excuses for rape will you. I can only hope your sissy a$$ gets locked up in jail with Willie.nn(i hope to god you are not a woman talking like this)

Christ almighty, you are one idiotic fuck. The beauty of this entire thing is that you are the single best argument for pro-choice ideology that exists. Clearly, the world would be much better off had you been aborted.nnFuck’s sake, I’d vote pro-choice to have your existence aborted TODAY, much less when you were still a fetus. Given your retarded spewing of bullshit and idiocy all over this page, you’re clearly no more capable of taking care of yourself today as you were then — your state of infancy and mental non-development are unchanged.nnThat said, find your way to your nearest collection of sharp tools and carry on your noble pro-choice movement by meeting the demands of the intelligent citizens of the world and killing yourself.nnI’m on your side, bro. You are THE pro-choice poster boy. Seeing you, there can be no doubt in any rational mind that abortion can be a beautiful thing.

Have you sat on both sides of that fence? Have you had to make that decision?

The more you speak, the more it sounds like you are on hard drugs and alcohol and that your life and mental state has become unmanageable. nnYou are also proving yourself to be dumber with each post. You are doing more to prove me right and to hurt the liberal cause than I am. Keep up the good work!

The more you speak, the more it sounds like you are on hard drugs and alcohol and that your life and mental state has become unmanageable.nnYou are also proving yourself to be dumber with each post. You are doing more to prove me right and to hurt the liberal cause than I am. Keep up the good work!

I NEVER said I was okay with rape and incest. Like a typical liberal, you are making things up as you go along.nnThe more you speak, the more it sounds like you are on hard drugs and alcohol and that your life and mental state has become unmanageable.nnYou are also proving yourself to be dumber with each post. You are doing more to prove me right and to hurt the liberal cause than I am. Keep up the good work!

You make out like women are so much more qualified to speak out about this, yet there has been more than one woman on here that has spoken out against abortion.nnBut when those women that are against abortion speak, all of a sudden the fact that they are a woman has nothing to do with it and you ignore that.nnPlus you put down Sarah Palin, who is a woman. But according to YOU, because SHE is a woman SHE should be qualified to speak on this subject.nnYou contradict yourself. If women are supposed to be so qualified to speak on the subject, then ALL women are equally qualified.nnBut that’s not how it is with you. In your sick mind, women are qualified to speak on the subject ONLY if they agree with you.nnNot only that, but YOU are a man (or at least THINK you are). SO shouldn’t THAT mean that YOU are NOT qualified to speak on this subject?nnHow male chauvinistic of you…nnThe more you speak, the more it sounds like you are on hard drugs and alcohol and that your life and mental state has become unmanageable.nnYou are also proving yourself to be dumber with each post. You are doing more to prove me right and to hurt the liberal cause than I am. Keep up the good work! n

You make out like women are so much more qualified to speak out about this, yet there has been more than one woman on here that has spoken out against abortion.nnBut when those women that are against abortion speak, all of a sudden the fact that they are a woman has nothing to do with it and you ignore that.nnPlus you put down Sarah Palin, who is a woman. But according to YOU, because SHE is a woman SHE should be qualified to speak on this subject.nnYou contradict yourself. If women are supposed to be so qualified to speak on the subject, then ALL women are equally qualified.nnBut that’s not how it is with you. In your sick mind, women are qualified to speak on the subject ONLY if they agree with you.nnNot only that, but YOU are a man (or at least THINK you are). SO shouldn’t THAT mean that YOU are NOT qualified to speak on this subject?nnHow male chauvinistic of you…nnThe more you speak, the more it sounds like you are on hard drugs and alcohol and that your life and mental state has become unmanageable.nnYou are also proving yourself to be dumber with each post. You are doing more to prove me right and to hurt the liberal cause than I am. Keep up the good work! n

I too have experienced the loss of friends and family. From accidents to rare brain diseases to miscarriages. Not once have I ever thought ” Its too bad we didn’t abort him/her when we had the chance so we don’t have t deal with the hurt from loss or expense of burial.” Life is a great thing and the loss of those you love should bring sorrow to you. It should make people like us appreciate the life we have been given and inspire us to not waste life, but make every moment count. I have experienced times of sorrow too, but its what we learn from loved ones and less fortunate people that define our very character and make us who we are. I would rather know love than to go a lifetime without.

And that’s the right thing to do, is walk away? Now that’s a real man!!! Whenever there is a problem just turn your back and walk and dismiss that there is a problem and “kick the can ” down the road for someone else to take care of. Cowardly at best!!!!

Your right!! Woman today do use abortion as a birth control method, but abortion as an option is not an option!!! There are hundreds of thousands of families who can’t have children who would love to have a child to care for. That’s a better alternative than abortion. On the flip side, abortion can be considered under extraoridinary situtations.

Wrong. The MORAL choice is the conservative position.

I never said I did, but morals and principals are of great concerned to me and my country. Abortion is an immoral act, but so is incest, and rape. If someone has to get an abortion it should be for one of three reasons: 1) Incest 2) Rape 3) To save the mothers life. I do not accept abortion for any other reason. If your going to have sex, then you must accept the responsibility of its consequences. That’s the problem today. People don’t take responsibilty for their actions, or for that matter, themselves. They expect everyone to hand it to them on a silver platter, or to have someone else take care of their problems for them.

Your funny. All I haved is proof. YOU

O that’s a good one, insults are exactly what I talked about. You prove my point, Thank YOU.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are basic enough, not abortion. Abortion is NOT a right. And just to inform you, the Libs only have an interest in what they want. Thats a fact.

I’m not your bro’ Asshole. When you and NV lose in ’12 like you have been losing since ’08, promise me you will revolt. Call it a post-facto abortion,Jethro

So far the liberal cause is doing just fine, buford. Read papers much? I’ll bet you got a bottle of jack daniels up to your sweaty lips right now. Beat your daughter much?

If the quitter run, she will be asked for Trigs..Trog..whatever his name is Birth Cert. Can’t wait.Neither can Rachael Maddow. Good luck billybob.

That was an idiotic reply.nnI’m on your side, bro. I totally am pro-abortion. How did you not pick that up in my clear statements above?nnOh, right, you’re completely fucking stupid and need to be aborted.nnHave a good day, Abortion Poster Boy. Again, you are living proof that abortions can be reason for celebration and joy.nnLater, bro!

Not everyone believes in God. Why should they be forced to bear a child in these circumstances because of a belief that YOU have in a fictious being? For the record, I was molested as a child by an uncle. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint, I was too young to get pregnant, almost as if he knew to stop before I started having periods. Don’t know what I would have done if I had managed to get pregnant during this time, but you will never convince me that having that child would have been the best thing to do. nnBottom line, it is none of anyone elses business. It is legal. It needs to stay safe. If you think it will stop were it to become illegal, you are high. It would just mean a lot of dead embryos AND mothers due to coat hanger abortions in back alleys. People need to keep their ideas of morality to themselves, make their own decisions about their own bodies and reproduction based on their own conscience and not the crazy idiots screaming and waving signs in the street. Any price to be paid to God, real or not, will come to those involved when the time comes. Until then, the rest of us need to bugger off and leave the people involved alone to make their own decisions.

Awesome idea! Come on cons, put your money where your mouth is for a change!

Hi, abbyrose. This is ASmom. I think I knew you from HP. Totally agree, as usual. nnProlifers also are all about forcing women to carry the child but not about providing the prenatal care during the pregnancy. They don’t want allow for the health care services for the baby once they are born. They only see people getting assistance as “lazy” and “taking advantage of the system” but with child care costing what it does I don’t know what you fools expect these women to do to take care of these children adequately and still work or go to school. You want them to be forced to have the child but want to provide NOTHING to provide them the support that they will need to survive and be successful. People like that are lower than lower and bigger hypocrits are hard to find, because they generally like to walk around and proudly proclaim themselves “Christians” all the while behaving in a this un-christlike manner.

True. I have a 20-year-old son. He is miserable due to disability. I knew that there was the possibility that he could this when I got pregnant but did it anyway. He was trying to commit suicide at the age of 6 by putting a plastic bag over his head and locking himself in the bathroom. He is still living at home, often talks about how miserable he is and how hopeless he is about his future (doctors say he will likely never be able to live completely independently or hold a job although we are still trying) and I deal with depression over this every day. I actually feel guilty over having given birth to this child. I adore him. I would give my life for him, no question, but I often think I would not have brought him into the world if I had known he would be so miserable. It would have been better for him. For the record, I have had an abortion prior to that. I was not happy about the abortion but it was a decision I had to make. No problem with depression until after having my son. So, you really obviously don’t know what you are talking about about. Just some insight from someone who does, first hand.

I do not drink at all. I totally abstain from alcohol.nnI do not beat my daughter, and never have. Leave her out of this. I have not and will not brought any of your family into this. Only a foolish idiot would think to bring a man’s kids into the conversation.nnOh, and as far as the liberal cause goes and reading newspapers, you apparently missed the news of the elections a while back

A fetus is NOT a person. A fetus is the possibility of a person. But until it takes that first “breath of life” outside the womb it is not a person and does not have a soul.

Your wasting your time arguing with people like this-She states”a fetus is not a child yet”-What is it then. I can ‘t believe people think this way. They always say that a child is not a child until it can breath on its own-based on this thought, if a person drowns -does this person cease to exist as a person or can we give them CPR. Sorry bad spelling -you get the point. Your never going to change there mind

If that’s how you feel, if you TRULY feel that a man’s opinion doesn’t matter and that he should shut up, then why don’t YOU shut up?nnOh yea, I forgot. The standards you apply to everyone else don’t apply to you.nnAnd you had the nerve to call ME a hypocrite.

Tell it like it is, Navymum.nnNO ONE is good enough to call someone else a hypocrite. NO ONE. This includes her.nnSo of she’s not good enough to call someone else a hypocrite, what does that make HER?

So the moral choice is not to give women a choice. Well done sir.

It is precisely personal responsibility that compels a woman to consider, to deliberate, and to choose. A man, at any time, can choose zero personal responsibility for a pregnancy – it is a choice of consciousness. But the woman cannot, for her responsibility is very material and very real. Completely of her body: it doesn’t get more personal than that. It is this sense of responsibility that forces the choice to begin with, when faced with unhealthy or dangerous birthing conditions, no partner, general lack of support, etc. It is the environment that we have created (society) that produces the choice.

The man who wants to be a father should make better choices concerning whom he attempts to fertilize.

The father is just as much the parent as the mother, once the child *exists*. nnInside the womb, it is not a child, it is a fetus. So here it is: the father is *not* the incubator (so to speak); the mother is. While in incubation, yes, this life form is in total control of the woman. I am sorry if this is not ideal for you. Both being a woman, or being a man – has its “drawbacks”, yes? n

The very notion of choice implies cognizance and sentience. Your question only defeats itself. And what are you saying, exactly? That you want your choice to supersede a pregnant woman’s choice. It’s not really about an embryo’s “choice” – that’s only a useless and imaginary concept… it’s about what *you* would choose.

Bill, your first two sentences say so much about you…nn”See, this is more proof that Liberals(progressives) are in it for themselves and not the general public. They demonize others who question and disagree with them.”nnDidn’t you just do what you accused liberals of doing? You are demonizing lefties as a group. Some people are more selfish than others, yes – this is true of people from all walks of life. Look within your own party (whichever it is), really look. You’ll find unsavory types there too.nnAlso, just because you favor certain amendments does not make them the most important. They’re the most important to *you*. To participate meaningfully in a democracy, you might want to make some room (psychologically anyway) for other viewpoints. Just because some of us don’t care about guns as much as you do, does not mean we don’t believe in individual rights. (We *do* want some regulation though. I mean, come on… pretty much anyone who wants to purchase a gun – especially in a hurry – warrants some initial scrutiny, don’t cha think?)nnI realize you just want us to shut up. This would be ideal for you, to never be questioned and therefore never feel threatened. But you do it to yourself in insisting that anyone who doesn’t conform to your ideology is a traitor who wants to destroy America. You are terrorizing yourself…

Stop telling everyone how easy it is…nnJust because you + your friends in your little corner of the world have had a uniformly positive experience, does not mean that it is so for others. *You* sound like a very self-centered person after just having judged someone of the same thing.

Actually, physiology would be a more apt term than geography. And yes it is “human life”. But is it a person? That is, in the fullest, most meaningful sense of the word in which society recognizes person-hood. Yes, outside the womb, a person with rights, social security number, and the works. Inside the womb: not a person.

I like your sentiments. And their delivery. :)

lolnfair question

Palin stepped down from her elected position and was quite open about it. And she made sure that there was someone to take her place.nnThe Democrats in Wisconsin simply fled the state, outright abandoning their responsibilities. nnAny sensible person can tell that ONE Republican (Palin) stepping down (with someone to take her place) is no comparison to the SEVERAL Wisconsin Democrats that fled the state (with no one to take their place).nnThe reasons are way different, the situation is way different, and the number of people involved is way more.nnSo if Palin was wrong in you mind, it makes sense that you would consider those Wisconsin Democrats to be a lot more wrong.nnBut why does your biased mind not see that?

Wow, you totally failed to respond to my post right above yours. Is that because you have no way to respond to such logic and sound reasoning without admitting you are wrong?nnI say yet again, as follows:nnYou claimed to agree with MilfordBob when he said “I am pro-choice but I am smart enough to realize that my opinion doesn’t matter. I am a man and therefore do not have a womb so I will shut up now.” nnYou agreeing with this means that you believe that you have no right to speak, and that you think you should do like MilfordBob and shut up.nnYet here you are, still speaking about abortion.nnSo why not demonstrate what you say you believe and SHUT UP?

Why don’t you give up the name calling. Even some here that are pro-abortion have stated their distaste for your comments, and that includes women. nnYou have yet to make a viable and sensible argument for abortion. All you have done is call names and make false accusations of people on here that you don’t even know.

you do have a choice, abstanance of protected sex.

if there is an heart beat the fetus is alive!!!!

Most liberal view points make no sense or at least no commonsense. I probably agree with the libs 10% of the time. That’s why i asked them to shut up. If they have no facts on which to stand and don’t bring to the debate and anything of substance, then SHUT-UP!!! You don’t have to like or agree but don’t assume the your agenda is right. You don’t have the right to change things you personally don’t like. I don’t demonize anyone except liberals because their way of thinking is just not normal. I’m sorry but that’s a fact and I don’t have to compromise with someone who thinks otherwise. You liberals have been at it for 100+ years and the time for compromise is over.

“You don’t have the right to change things you personally don’t like.”nnYou sound dangerously anti-democratic, wow.nn”I don’t demonize anyone except liberals because their way of thinking is just not normal.”nnWe can all feel comforted knowing that you are the world’s leading expert on what is philosophically and psychologically normal.nnAgain, you are confused as to what a fact is. No wonder you are so frustrated…

The last paragraph says 2 things that I want to address.nnYou said: “Politicians have absolutely no place in the discussion.”nnIf “pro-life” politicians have no place in the discussion, then the same should apply to “pro-choice” politicians.nnYet despite that statement you made, you think politicians should only have a say if they are “pro-choice”. This means that you contradicted yourself.nnYou said: “I believe that the only people who should even have input into a decision about abortion are the people directly involved.”nnYet there is often a father involved, and he is NOT given a say.nnI have a wonderful 15 year old daughter. But it bothers me that legally, her mom could have aborted her and that legally, I would have had no say in the matter.nnI’m so glad that her mom didn’t abort her.

The name is NavyMUM. “Mum” is a British version of the American word “mom”. So yes, this is a woman.nnAnd why would you “hope to god you are not a woman talking like this”?nnHaven’t you indicated elsewhere that women are the experts on this, and they have the right to speak out on this?nnAgain, you contradict yourself.

And likewise, the woman should make better choices concerning who she has sex with.nnYour statement is totally one-sided because it totally ignores that.

Okay, so using your logic we should all kill ourselves off, correct?

Well I’m sorry to hear about your son’s problems. I truly am, and it makes me even more grateful that my daughter turned out just fine.nnHowever, there have been examples of how people with such problems have been murdered after being born. What the Nazis did is an example of this.nnUsing abortion as retroactive birth control in order to control things like this goes right along with the way of thinking that allowed the Nazis to do what they did.nnSo do you agree with what the Nazis did?nnOn the flip side, I know of parents that chose to have had disabled children that brought much happiness and are glad they had them. Even though they are disabled for one reason or another, who has the right to decide which babies should die? Do you think the Nazis had that right?

Humans are people. So human life is made up of people. So since you say a fetus is human life, then this means a fetus is a person.nnBut then you contradict yourself and say a fetus is not a person.

Sorry, already happened, and I have a wonderful 4 year old boy right now. I’m not a conservative though, so does that count?

And that should be up to the PARENTS to teach the child, not the government.nnAnd yes, it is about personal responsibility. How else do you expect “being educated” to help if the person isn’t responsible enough to use that education wisely?

“Pro-Choice” is indeed pro-abortion because it supports abortion as an option.nnAnd it’s pointless to say “How many sleepless nights have you spent wringing your hands over the thousands of kids that starve to death everyday?” simply because it’s pointless to lose sleep over things I have no immediate control over. Losing sleep will not bring about a solution.

Just becuase u don’t like something doesn’t give you the right to change it or push your liberal agenda on others. It’s real easy to figure out what is normal and what is not and idealogs like yourself still havn’t figured that out yet. Everyone has an opinion, some opinions are right and some are wrong, and 90% of the time your opinion is wrong. For example, the Obamacare law or universal health care, sounds good in theory but in reality someone has to pay for it. You demonize insurance and big corporations but if it wasn’t for them it would be a much different America. Thanks to Insurance we pay less for medical attention, and thanks to big business we have jobs. If you want cheaper medical expenses then tell our politicans to deport the illegals, no matter their ethnic backgroung, and enforce current immigration laws. If you can’t see that commonsense is the way out of this mess we’re in then too bad for you. By the way, you and the other drones and pawns for the Libs who call themselves Democrats. If you think for one minute that they are concerned for you then they have pulled the woll over your eyes. All they are concerned about is staying in power, and that is it!!! They are opting out of the new Health care law, that in itself should concern you, but i’ll bet it doesn’t.

actually dumb question.

What a brave man! Thank God you were not my father!

Here here.

I will listen to those who call themselves “pro-life” the day I see them in force protesting war and the fact that the USA 1) spends more money on its military than the rest of the world COMBINED and 2) is the largest weapons supplier in the world.nnBefore I worry about what is going on inside the woman next to me, I will first worry about how my tax dollars are being spent to kill and maim men, women, children, babies and fetuses.nnBTW: 25 – 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. So for those of you who have an religious objection to abortion, please note that GOD IS THE BIGGEST ABORTIONIST IN THE UNIVERSE.

Fair because it speaks to your point. I realize it’s easier to dismiss the rest of the world and its questions as “dumb” rather than to be challenged. But really, you are doing yourself a disservice.

Reread the post. “Human life” and “person[hood]” are not the same thing. Learn to understand nuance. You are caught on semantics.

“Just becuase u don’t like something doesn’t give you the right to change it or push your liberal agenda on others. It’s real easy to figure out what is normal…”nnActually, that’s what democracy is, as was pointed out in my post. When people don’t like something, they change it. Sounds like you’d prefer living in a dictatorship? This country will only continue frustrate you…I am sorry that you can’t handle dissent. Perhaps your only options are to leave or to attempt to overthrow the government. Good luck with whatever you choose.

I’m not the one complaining. YOU were complaining about men who want to be a father. Pretty clear and sensible advice, don’t you think?

Dear wahlford 1 [below]:nnIs a mother who can’t support a child “responsible” in keeping it? Is forcing young women to be surrogate for the infertile well-off what you want for society? nnAbortion is an “easy alternative”? How little you know women (regardless of your sex.) I’ve known a lot of women who’ve had abortions, and NOT ONE has said that the decision was “easy”. But not one regretted her decision. And more than one went on to be a good mother to children they were ready for.nnNO ONE likes abortion, any more than anyone likes taxes, wars or root canals. But there are times when each is essential to the long term welfare of those involved.

If I have, it is none of your business. Suffice it to say I have sixrnchildren. The point is that a child does not deserve to die for the sins ofrnher father. The next point is that love endures all and that unconditionalrnlove is the most powerful force on earth. Love is the act of will, not arnfeeling. Love, and then everything will become clear. I am so sorry that Irndid not know you when you faced this decision. You would be so much happierrnwith a living child, in your arms or in the arms of a loving, adoptivernmother. I am so sorry that you did not find the help you needed to givernlife. We are trying so hard to make this known to all those who think thatrnthe only way to go is abortion. Help us learn how to reach those that thinkrnthere is no other way.

“…adopt *Healthy White* babies…”

Babies of all colors and babies with health problems are adopted every day.

I didn’t mean to be inflammatory in my post, just in the United States at least, a large portion of the children are above the age of infancy, and are non-white. A lot of the the children that do not get adopted at the time of infancy are born addicted to a drug or have severe disabilities and congenital defects. There are people with big hearts that do adopt these children, but the sad truth is, the ethnicity that adopts most (In the US) is of White or European descent, and prospective parents in general tend to adopt within their own race. And raising a child with a disability takes a lot of work and love that a lot of people feel they can’t do.nnThe Foster Care system in the United States is horribly backed up with a lot of children stuck in the system well into late adolescence where they eventually become emancipated. These children do poorer academically, and are more prone to depression and low self esteem. These factors contribute to the number of unplanned pregnancies, and continue the cycle.nnSure, children are adopted every day, but the system is far from perfect, with many hurdles between potential loving parents and children that need that love. The foster care/ adoption systems need to be reformed along with the stigma placed upon children that had no control over who they were born to.nnFinally the billiions of dollars that goes into creating more children: in vitro fertilization, surrogacy, cures and remedies all developed to bring new life into the world when there are so many children alive now needing stable homes.nnIf anyone wants, I can provide the hard numbers. Sorry if this was off topic/ranty. And I’m sorry if it sounded like I was attacking you, Navymum. Adoption is an issue with me.

Whorf,I’m back and I do not stalk, I persecute.* Nothing personal Just business, you of all pep’s as a repug should understand. nn* I think you and your ilk are the total and complete evil that we libs have to stamp out. Look to WI and see your future.

Butt, or should I say Buford, I am not your bro, white boy. I am not on your side. I am the black man that looks on your double chin ass at the local Hooters with pity. You have to pay for it.nn(without love Melbo)

I pray for your twisted soul. The defend rape, from a woman makes me want to vomit!

I can’t give up the “name calling”(bo-ho) I am afraid I don’t respect you no more than I value a roach. As far as a argument,Roe v Wade was settled in 1973. It is the law, Jackass! Move to the third reich land, their and only their will you relive your past glory and conquest. But in the real world sorry to say you have just me.(ha-ha)