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The United States has the highest corporate tax in the world. Your jobs are moving out of the country because of this tax and thousands of regulations that make it impossible for companies to compete internationally. The governor is doing his best to keep private sector jobs in Wisconsin. Without those jobs, who will pay the taxes? I am a retired Catholic school teacher. We took pay cuts 3 years ago just to keep our school open. We had to because our local property taxes increased to the point that many of our families could not afford to pay both the taxes and the tuition. Catholic school teachers make less than half of public school teacher and have virtually no benefits. Why should public school teachers get all these benefits when the rest of the country has had to sacrifice? By the way, federal government workers do not have the right to collective bargaining and they have all kinds of benefits and higher salaries than private sector workers. The real problem for these public sector unions is the governor’s plan to make union dues voluntary. The union bosses need that money to live their lavish lifestyles and to keep their power to buy democrat pols who are promising things we can’t afford to get elected. That is why collective bargaining must end. Union bosses use taxpayer money to buy politician who represent union interest and not the taxpayers. Finally, how is it democratic to have elected state senators leave rather than vote? We have been disenfrancised by these lawless men and women who refuse to do the job they have been elected to do.

Hey Navymum – You hit the nail right on the head! I couldn’t agree more. I was in a union once. What I witnessed was how they basically protect and coddle the inefficient and poor performing workers. I would do twice the work as the guy next to me, then tell the boss about it and he’d say “can’yt do anything he’s in the union” Everyone everywhere should get merit based pay, you pick 6 bails of cotton, you get paid per bail, not by the hour. You do it twice as fast, you get twice as much pay. It’s pretty simple really.

@navymum You should stop watching Fox programs and learn the facts for yourself.

Want to bet if they had the choice….10 percent of gross or leave it like it is…which way the corporations would go…? What is killing America is the fact that we like corporate welfare and that is just fine while the middle and below income groups sink and sink and sink….nnWhy do you have this super bad economy…very easy answer…NO one can afford to buy anything anymore as wages and salaries,etc have plummeted while corporate CEO wages have shot out of sight.nnOne of the wisest Corporate CEO’s once said, give everyone who works for me a huge raise so they can afford to buy the products we are making….and it was not long after that….the company sold 1 million of its T-Models….maybe you have heard of him….Henry Ford.

ya navymum!! if you dont agree with me you must have something wrong with you! dont try to fool me with your personal experience, its not my experience so its probably fake anyway!!

Have you tried counselling? Perhaps you could use pychopharmacolical drugs. I will pray for your healing.

Well SureYaDo your sarcasm comes through strong. Maybe before you speak you should ask. How do you know what kind of experiences I have in life? Hmmmm?

You are right! Nothing you say matters much. Instead questioning my sources, why don’t you present some facts.

Counseling? Counseling for what? What do I need drugs for? I am not the one living in ignorance.

Counseling? Counseling for what? What do I need drugs for? I am not the one living in ignorance.

You are right about the brilliance and creativity of Henry Ford. He made Model-T’s from 1909 until 1927. They sold 15 million cars. In 1935 the United Autoworker organized the automobile industry. Apparently, the workers forgot his generousity.

I can’t question your sources because you did not provide any.

No, you are right. You are in La-La land.

What type of facts would you like me to present to you?

Why don’t you stop with petty insults and ask something that matters. What you are showing with your responses is a bitter, ugly personality. How does that get to an with intelligent response?

wow.

You assumed in your response that I watched Fox News. You claimed that this was my source for the information I presented in my brilliantly reasoned agrument. I realize that liberals have trouble with reason and facts, but go ahead. Try to use facts to refute my argument. That is how debates happen. Good luck. I am eagerly waiting.

“stop watching foxnews” passes for an intelligent response for you? sounds like a “look at me i hate foxnews so im supercool” response to me

I was replying to Sureyado?

I was not replying to you. I was replying to SureYaDo.

well you guys seem to have this under control……

yes if you dont agree with me you are IGNORANT YES YES THATS MY POINT!!!!

nI did assume that you participate in watching Fox network stations in order to garner information to come to conclusions that once put into effect assist in tearing down this nation and what it has stood for. nnI did not find any brilliance in your post. It was just another misguided attempt by someone that relies on their self-delusional wit to help them make it through the day believing they are semi-intelligent. That does not constitute a brilliant post. nnHow do you come to the conclusion that I am a liberal? nnI have no problem with reasoning or fact presenting. However, once again, you did not present anything other than your beliefs in your post. You did not cite any sources for your information. Why should I try to refute what you state when you provide no evidence of your own to substantiate what it is that you say. n

No I did not say that if you do not agree with me that you are ignorant.

SureYaDo I think you have some issues.

Let’s take a closer look at what I originally wrote:nnThe United States has the highest corporate tax in the world. (Fact: Japan had the highest rate, but recently lowered it to create jobs.)Your jobs are moving out of the country because of this tax and thousands of regulations that make it impossible for companies to compete internationally. (Fact: Repeated frequently by CEO interviewed in the WSJ) The governor is doing his best to keep private sector jobs in Wisconsin. (Fact: His own words.) Without those jobs, who will pay the taxes? I am a retired Catholic school teacher. (Fact) We took pay cuts 3 years ago just to keep our school open. (Fact)We had to because our local property taxes increased to the point that many of our families could not afford to pay both the taxes and the tuition. Fact: (As stated directly to me at student teacher conferences in Spring 2009)Catholic school teachers make less than half of public school teacher and have virtually no benefits. (My salary was $41,000. Math teachers at the local high school make $89,000 with the same experience. Why should public school teachers get all these benefits when the rest of the country has had to sacrifice? (Fact: See Bureau labor department stats.)By the way, federal government workers do not have the right to collective bargaining and they have all kinds of benefits and higher salaries than private sector workers. (Fact: See Bureau labor department stats.) The real problem for these public sector unions is the governor’s plan to make union dues voluntary. (Fact: see Governor’s bill) The union bosses need that money to live their lavish lifestyles and to keep their power to buy democrat pols who are promising things we can’t afford to get elected. (Fact: Comes from a former head of the Federated Teachers who said that he could hire his own bosses.) That is why collective bargaining must end. Union bosses use taxpayer money to buy politicians who represent union interest and not the taxpayers. Conclusion drawn from the facts above) Finally, how is it democratic to have elected state senators leave rather than vote? Fact (I believe that 7 or 8 democrat Wisconsin Senators are staying in Illinois) We have been disenfrancised by these lawless men and women who refuse to do the job they have been elected to do. Conclusion from the facts above. show more show less n

I know you are a liberal or socialist because of the way you structure your writing. It is a window into your mind. The institutions you speak of, I believe you are refering to unions? If so, I have no problem with unions as long as the public unions do not have collective bargaining and cannot contribute union dues to politicians. (Conflict of interest when you can elect your own bosses. Who represents the electorate?) Public employees are protected by laws. Or did you mean the Constitution? Some how I doubt that. I have to go now. But, I still await your agrument. Have a nice day.

@NavymumnnIu2019m starting over here. We seem to be running out of room on the other post with our responses. nnThe United States has the highest corporate tax in the world. (Fact: Japan had the highest rate, but recently lowered it to create jobs.) nnWhere is your source for this statement? It is incorrect and I will disprove this as soon as you give me a source for your information.nnnYour jobs are moving out of the country because of this tax and thousands of regulations that make it impossible for companies to compete internationally. (Fact: Repeated frequently by CEO interviewed in the WSJ) nnWhich WSJ issue are you talking about? There is just too much evidence against what you are saying here.nnThe governor is doing his best to keep private sector jobs in Wisconsin. (Fact: His own words.) nnWhere is your source for this? furthermore, it really doesnu2019t matter what he is saying. It is through his actions that you will determine what his intentions are. nnI am a retired Catholic school teacher. (Fact) nnI do not dispute this.nnWe took pay cuts 3 years ago just to keep our school open. (Fact)nnWhy did you have to take pay cuts? Where did the money go that was originally allotted for this? Look into who got the tax breaks and who didnu2019t and you will find the answer to this. it show really upset you.nnWe had to because our local property taxes increased to the point that many of our families could not afford to pay both the taxes and the tuition. Fact: (As stated directly to me at student teacher conferences in Spring 2009)nnIt sounds as if you now have a regressive tax rate. In addition, what statistical evidence is there to support this?nnCatholic school teachers make less than half of public school teacher and have virtually no benefits. (My salary was $41,000. Math teachers at the local high school make $89,000 with the same experience. nnWhere is your source for this? can you give me a link to it? I will agree, there are many teachers that make far too much too give such a lousy performance. nnWhy should public school teachers get all these benefits when the rest of the country has had to sacrifice? nnWhy should the country have to sacrifice at the expense of corporations? Why shouldnu2019t we all be able to bask in an egalitarian society? Isnu2019t that what our principles stood for in the past?nn(Fact: See Bureau labor department stats.)By the way, federal government workers do not have the right to collective bargaining and they have all kinds of benefits and higher salaries than private sector workers. (Fact: See Bureau labor department stats.) nnOnce again, give me a link to this in that I may be able to identify with your reasoning. Some federal employees do have bargaining rights. However, if you are talking about Wisconsin, those are not federal employees. nnThe real problem for these public sector unions is the governor’s plan to make union dues voluntary. (Fact: see Governor’s bill) nnI have seen the Governoru2019s bill.nnThe union bosses need that money to live their lavish lifestyles and to keep their power to buy democrat pols who are promising things we can’t afford to get elected. (Fact: Comes from a former head of the Federated Teachers who said that he could hire his own bosses.) nnJust because somebody says something does not make it a fact. It makes it a personal opinion. in addition, one persons statement does not reflect on the other hundreds of thousands of public employees. nnThat is why collective bargaining must end. Union bosses use taxpayer money to buy politicians who represent union interest and not the taxpayers. Conclusion drawn from the facts above) Finally, how is it democratic to have elected state senators leave rather than vote? nnThey are fighting for the people of Wisconsin. They are fighting for what they believe in. If even one of them returns, then there are enough republicans to force through any measure they want. They only need a quorum for this to happen.nnThis is what I donu2019t get. Are you independently wealthy? Do you live in riches? If you do not, then why are you advocating for a position that only hurts you in the end? This is where ignorance starts. It is from misguided beliefs based on disinformation that is spread in news Medias within this country for the purpose of getting you to fight against those civil liberties and social programs that take away from the rich and give back to those who need it. nnNews Corporation owns all Fox media outlets. The top ten network news outlets today are Fox network stations. It stands to reason that someone who posted something such as you did in your original post more than likely gathers their information from watching one of these news sources. This is understandable since most of us watch our own u201ctrustedu201d news sources today. However, it is a given point that Fox News Networks slant their information in a very biased way. They intentionally misrepresent the facts in order to get you fight against those civil liberties that you should be cherishing. nnBy watching these stations, you are not getting news. You are getting opinioned-based comments from people whose job it is, is to gather higher ratings and increase the profits of the corporation they work for. n

@NavymumnnMy writing structure really gives no indication as to my political ideology, at least, not yet anyway. It hasnu2019t been discussed yet. I am simply arguing logically. You are inferring this to mean I am either a socialist or a liberal. if you are referring to me in the definitive sense of the word liberal, then I take that as a compliment. The definition of this word is broad-minded – tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others and generous – freely giving money, time, or some other asset. I am these things. I devote much of my time to the assistance of others. nnHow do you come up with a socialist being the same thing as a liberal? They are not. This definition of a socialist is someone who believes in or supports socialism or a socialist party. Where do I give any indication that I advocate socialism in what I say?nnA union president is an elected official for that union. It is a democratic process just as any other. Why shouldnu2019t a union be able to elect their own boss? It is their right. Unions, by law, are not able to contribute union dues to politicians. I challenge you to show me where this has happened. nnI am confused by this statement (Conflict of interest when you can elect your own bosses. Who represents the electorate?)n Can you elaborate on this please?

Unless we take away child labor laws and reduce the minimum hourly wage to less than $3 an hour, the corporations will still go to other countries. (fact)

lol you got me

people are entitled to their own opinions, not their own facts.

You’re wasting your time. Navymum thinks that Scott Walker saying something (his own words) makes his statement a fact. She’s a fool and an ethically corrupt person.

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yeah im gonna have to agree with jqb, some people aren’t worth arguing with; they bring you down to their level and try to beat you with experience, instead of citing sources.

Scott Walker is pure evil!

Data compiled in 2010 by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development show that only Japan, by a few tenths of a percentage point, had higher corporate tax rates than the United States among the 34 economically advanced countries in the group. The rankings are due to change after a law lowering Japanese rates takes effect. nCounting federal and state obligations, u201cwe have the highest combined corporate tax rate in the industrialized world,u201d said J. D. Foster, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative policy group. u201cWe used to be No. 2, but Japan cut its rates so now weu2019re No. 1 in a very dubious category.u201d nnn”We spent a fortune to elect Barack Obama — $60.7 million to be exact — and we’re proud of it,” boasted Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, to the Las Vegas Sun this week. The behemoth labor organization’s leadership is getting its money’s worth. Whether rank-and-file workers and ordinary taxpayers are profiting from this ultimate campaign pay-for-play scheme is another matter entirely.nnHess at Education Week:nPublic employee unions, which have become one of the nationu2019s most aggressive and influential special interest groups in recent decades, are unchecked by the competitive constraints and self-interested ownership that help to balance out private sector unions. In his forthcoming book Special Interest, for instance, Stanfordu2019s Terry Moe points out that the Michigan Education Association has distributed a 40-page instructional manual for local leaders thatu2019s entitled u201cElecting Your Own Employer, Itu2019s as Easy as 1, 2, 3.u201d And as one high-ranking state union official told me when I wrote Revolution at the Margins, u201cWe knew the school system wasnu2019t moving to Mexico,u201d so there was no reason to work with the state negotiator on establishing a prudent salary structure.nThe resulting overpromise is easy to see. For instance, when it comes to teacher pensions, there is a nearly $500 billion (and growing) funding shortfall across the states, and educator benefits have consistently grown as a percent of salariesu2013with districts and states contributing far more to teacher retirements than employers do in the private sector.nn

I posted three of the sources above in a new post. It is near the top. They would not let me leave in the websites, but I listed what googled above so you can follow those to see my sources.nnAs far as you being a liberal, it is not what you said, it is the thinking process that is revealed in your writing that lets me know you are a liberal, but fine, you can be called whatever you want to be called. nnUnions definitely contribute to political campaigns. See quote from Andy Stern President SCIU. When unions who represent people who work for the government give money and time to elect government representatives they are trying to determine who they will work for. An elected representative is supposed to work for all the citizens, but as you know, they tend to help the people who supported them. That is why liberals hate allowing corporations to donate to politicians. ( I agree that corporations and unions should not be able to donate to politicians.) You see, that if the representatives work for the workers then unelected people are calling the shots. They use the power of the government to tax to enrich themselves. Politicians have worked these amazing pension plans into the deal because they push the cost of these deals into the future. But the future is now. They made deals in the past for which we do not have the money to pay, even if you take all the tax cuts away from businesses. nn

This is awesome. How were you able to send me a personal email? I will respond in kind. It is unfortunate that for the rest of this evening and for most of tomorrow I will not be able to respond. I am enjoying conversing with you.rnShannon

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Is it possible at all that the deals struck by unions won’t hold up unless people are willing to vote representatives who will raise all taxes? nnIf people feel that union employees deserve these benefits, then give the government more money at tax time, and vote in people that promise to raise your taxes.

Hi Shannon,rnI am enjoying our banter, too. I am getting your responses on my email, sornI just responded to you by hitting reply. I am busy now, too. Hope yournhave a great day.rnKathryn

what a crock…. everybody in the private sector seems to be getting by. the teachers can do it too. what dont you people get? the money isn’t there. you act like borrowing money is the norm, its not!

Let me ask you a question. We all know that unions donate to political campaigns. However, if they held so much power, than why is it that there is such a push to stamp out unions? Union membership is down to about 9% of the workforce, and government workers make less than there private sector counterparts. nUnions only donate about 1% of the amount donated by corporations. nI’m not sure how to break it to you, but no public school teachers make 90K/yr. That pay is an averaged amount with benefits. My mother has taught in the bay area for years, and makes about 60K/yr as a science teacher.nTax rates are historically low, they have never been lower, and tax rates have nothing to do with creating jobs. The two are completely unrelated. However, jobs are related to sales, and if you cut the pay of workers, this will reduce sales, and therefore jobs.

Just from reading the comments, it seems many people really don’t see what’s in front of them, they only see the things that fit into their preconceived notions. Patterns in numbers don’t lie, they can only be buried in deep, dark shadowy places. While the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rates, the amount that corporations end up paying is most times much lower. See the article titled, “Corporate Tax Revenues Nearing Historic Lows As A Percentage of GDP” in The Huffington Post. Pay a good enough tax professional and Corp, Inc. can skate away without paying its share of taxes through all kinds of deductions. However, Corp, Inc. can’t get away from paying workers decent wages (at least in the U.S. and some other places). On the other hand, most workers will have to settle for online H&R Block and hope for the best. They will also have to hope that their kids won’t get sick from all the pollutants Corp, Inc. will be dumping in the atmosphere and in the oceans. Lord knows Uncle Sam is getting paid too much to look the other way. nnThe biggest war in the United States has always been between the owners of the means of production and their worker bees. Corporations don’t care whether workers can afford to buy their products anymore; the Globe is flat and fuel is relatively cheap, so they can go anywhere to sell those products. I can’t prove it, but I am willing to wager everything I have that taxes are much smaller than worker pay and health insurance costs combined. Forget the politics for a minute and think logically about the numbers and about the way business works. If the biggest costs are wages and medical insurance, then either the laws that protect wages have to change or that factory has to be built in a poor country somewhere. Threaten the workers with that, while blaming Uncle Sam’s heavy hand and you kill two birds with one stone. Politics matters little here, unless it’s to muddy the waters. While we’re at it, why not replace all the pesky human workers with cheaper robots that can crank out perfect products all day and every day in any corner of the world. Things will be perfect then. Picking fights with your neighbor is the perfect way to stay distracted while the rug is pulled out from under your feet and used to cover up what’s really going to happen. A better things to do would be to start learning how to build and program robots.

Aaron,rnFirst of all noone is trying to stamp out unions. I have no problem withrnprivate sector unions. My problem is with public sector unions and I don’trneven have a problem with them if they don’t have collective bargaining. Yournsee, unions exist to protect employees from greedy capitalists. Fine. Howrncan the American people as a whole be greedy capitalists? We just try tornmake our bills and pay our taxes. We write laws that protect the governmentrnworkers from bad labor practices. The problem happens when public sectorrnunions have collective bargaining rights. Is is right that policemen,rnfiremen and teachers strike the public. We only have so much to pay themrnwith. These are called essential services. We tell you what we will payrnand you make the decision to become a teacher, firefighter or policeman. Itrnis wrong to be able to collect dues from all people who would like to workrnfor government and then spend the money to elect only those people who willrnpay any price for union contributions. Don’t you see the public looses. Theyrnhold us hostage. This is wrong and it is more wrong for politicians to agreernto union demands and push the payment onto future generations. This isrncorruption at its best.