Gov. Walker Reveals Entire Union-Busting Strategy to Prank Caller

Koch: Well, I tell you what, Scott: once you crush these bastards Iu2019ll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.nnWalker: All right, that would be outstanding.

Wait. But I can only hear the one end of the conversation. Is it really real? Why can’t I hear Walker’s side of the line?

To me, Walker is coming out of one speaker, Koch out of the other. Perhaps your problem is related to that?

Yeah, check your speakers, I hear both people.

So, the GOPers want state and federal governments to treat their employees the same way the corporations have; eliminating their benefits and retirement plans, laying them off thereby eliminating their collective bargaining capabilities and finally forcing fewer workers to work harder for less with no control over the conditions of their labor. Former GM workers grouse that public employees still have all their bennies and their jobs and Walker says to them, “Don’t feel bad, they’ll be joining you soon.”

I like it when the fake Koch keeps saying “beautiful.”nnnWhat proof is there that this is real, by the way?

I love his press release.Digging himself a hole he can’t escape from.

Not defending Walker, but mostly it sounds like normal political business. I wish he had sounded more damning to himself. On the other hand, He is admitting that they are trying to bust the unions in Wisconsin and they are just the beginning of doing it everywhere – in all states. I work at a state college. The adjunct professors (some who had worked here continuously for 20 yrs) were trodd on until they got a union. Now the rules are fair, the compensation is fair. Unions are needed. Read the history books.

I just listened to this unAmerican conversation, between the supposed Koch brother and Gov Walker. Now I see (not that I didn’t see it before) the corruption that the Right is doing to the American citizens. I had my wife listen to it also to show her how bad the Right is becoming to ruin America. I also Tweeted it so my followers could listen to the horrible Politics taking place in America. I’m glad this was done and the proof it clear, and not hear say. I been both on the Unions side and Managements side, I also believe in negotiation which gives room for fair and reasonable benefits. There is no room for Dirty Politics in our Country.

“I’ve got a slugger with my name on it in my office.”

I have listened to the unidentified caller posing as one of the Koch brothers, who did a serve to the American people showing how Gov. Walker is being guided to destroy the Unions. I have been on both sides of the Unions, I was a union member and on the side of Management, and unions do a serve for the people to negotiate not only wages but benefits. I had my wife listen to the call for her to hear how Dirty Politics in America have become a paid for and demanded by those who will pay to gain and those who will take to get more than deserved. Politics have always been a dirty game, now it’s become a regular practice. Busting the Unions in my opinion is a bad way to go, it has been the back bone of the American worker, to keep out those who want to avoid the IRS, paying reasonable wages, insurance benefits, etc. Something like what Wisconsin is trying to do could lead to what other countries are faced with such as low wages and no benefits, longer working days without overtime pay and more. I stand behind the people fighting to keep America as a leader in the World with the rights written in the Constitution for the American People.

To assess the content of this 20 minute call is to miss the point. Here is a governor of a state talking freely to a non-citizen contributor, openly sharing detailed strategies for coping with and defeating a political segment of his own state: i.e. some of the people he is representing. He does this adamant in the fact he will not budge and will not negotiate with his own people. He will, however, loquaciously dominate a telephone conversation with an outsider offering information to someone whose only connection with the governor is money. Citizens be damned, money be respected! Certainly you noticed that the “Koch” character needed only say “beautiful” to elicit another diatribe from the governor. n The republican senators from Wisconsin are part of a Republic, that is, they collectively represent a group of people from a segment of the state. Yet they would deny that same right to another group from the state. That is irony! It will also be the beginning of the end of the AMERICAN DREAM. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE AMERICAN DREAM ALONE? GOOD LUCK! MR. KOCH MAY HAVE OTHER IDEAS.

Unions aren’t always good or needed, but the right to unionize, and the rights of unions are.

“Koch”: “What we were thinking about the crowds was planting some troublemakers.”nnWalker: “The only problem with that… ’cause we thought about that…” nn…Wow.

The governor’s office has confirmed that it is real.

Exactly the point. This will end that son of a bitch.

This sounds like a normal conversation. “Normal” as in not being staged. If this is truly Walker’s voice (which can be substantiated) then his long winded explanations of the status of things is the incriminating proof that he is Koch’s puppet whether it was Koch or not. Walker sounds like he is taking the bait of accepting “gifts” for favors done, which is sort of like accepting a bribe. Also Walker admitted to contemplating planting people in the crowd which says something about the integrity of himself and his staff. There are other insinuations that reveal the orchestration of “plans” by other tea party members. This could be very incriminating. I hope this is all true. I hope this all backfires on the tea party.

Gov.Scott Walker; YOU are the MAN !! Restore our freedom. Save all the Family Owned Small Business’s that have been struggling like us for the past 4 years. We need your HELP !! PLEASE Help us save our 30 year old family Car Wash , Car Care Center….be our saviour;;;;)) Gov. Scott Waker

Gov.Scott Walker; YOU are the MAN !! Restore our freedom. Save all the Family Owned Small Business’s that have been struggling like us for the past 4 years. We need your HELP !! PLEASE Help us save our 30 year old family Car Wash , Car Care Center….be our saviour;;;;)) Gov. Scott Waker

There is no doubt that Scott Walker is in the pocket of the Koch Brothers……these bribes are disguised as campaign contributions. We can’t recall for one year, looking up the law to see if there is anyway around it.

So sorry to see someone who would willing go to the “showers” like scottmandoo. But then again we need to thin the herd so to speak.

I was born and raised in San Diego and anyone who refers to CALIFORNIA as “Cali”, is, to put it as politely as I can; a jerk-off!

Employees who belly up to the public trough should not have the capacity to collectively bargain for benefits over and above salary adjustments. Massive underfunded state employee pensions are the result of unions contributing member dues to Democrat candidates who then sat across from them at the collective bargaining table and asked “how much taxpayer money do you want?” Unless and until this practice is curtailed the states are heading down a road to ruin – there simply won’t be enough money to pay employee pensions. nnPolitics is not pretty – simply recall the horrific measures that were taken and deals that were cut to pass Obamacare. You “progressives” need to grow up and take a crash course in Economics. Power to the Governor!

Soooo, you are saying that it was OK for the President to DENY that same right to those of us who DID NOT WANT the now failed stimulus bill? Or were you suggesting that it was ok for the President to DENY that right to those of us who DID NOT WANT Obamacare? Dramatic irony perhaps.

This is NOT Scott Walker speaking. Nice try fool!

This is NOT Scott Walker speaking. Nice try fool!

BS

What about the people who try to work in a forced union environment who do not want to be part of the union? They have rights too, They are harassed by union people, forced to pay dues, and will never be allowed to go above and beyond should they choose to. Unions (mobsters) suck.

OH. Don’t even bring that dirt up. Obama is soooo wonderful. He’s making history, don’t you know.

Why do all you Dems & mobsters have potty mouths?

so you are stressing over <.10 of 1%? Why aren't you championing the other 99.999% who actually chose and participate in the democratic union process? Its like worrying about the flying spaghetti monster crushing the jesus ghost. Get real!

You misunderstand the purpose of government: it IS to provide to the good of the people NOT to run a profitable business. It sux that it costs money to educate your cloven mutant piglet offspring. Pat the BIG buck$ and send them to private school or shut up.

Why do Unions and Obama hate me?

My father retired from the public schools until about 6 years ago. My parents saved their money, were frugal in their purchases, and (like countless others) lost much of their retirement funds when the market really tanked.nnAbove and beyond that, they have had their health insurance benefits decrease while their premiums increased, benefits promised to them BY THE STATE. Now, our governor want to start taxing pensions, thereby costing retirees thousands extra a year. Remember, this is not something that the retirees had been given warning of, nothing that they could have planned ahead for.nnThis is all WITH unions doing what they can to prevent or lessen the damage, and I can only imagine what would happen without them. We’re not talking about jobs that are frivolous or unnecessary, but the trained professionals who keep this country running. nnThe teachers who go to school for years, teach, inspire, and care for your children, and get paid next to nothing.nnThe police officers whose jobs involve risks most of us would hesitate taking all with the purpose of maintaining law and public safety.nnThe fire fighters whose jobs revolve around placing themselves in harm’s way to protect people and their livelihoods.nnThe list goes on and on of government employees who work their butts off for little pay, some even giving their LIVES for us, and right now all they want is to be able to continue to have the rights they’ve fought for and earned.

Because Urine Charge!

Truth hurts, dosn’t it?

I am unable to give a cogent response to your comment, since I can find no continuity between it and what I wrote, other than we both have a proclivity for using upper case to make a point. I think we need to stick to content and lay off the dramatics. I appreciate that you read my thoughts and suggest you now spend your time on Walkercare, or better yet, Walkerepair! Perhaps some talcum powder would help cover your red state.

The poster who said it sounded mostly like “normal political business” must have missed the part where Walker acknowledges that he had “thought about” planting troublemakers in the pro-union crowd. The guy should resign for that alone.

Asking for concessions in salary and benefits is reasonable when times are tough, trying to take concessions AND your rights as a worker is not. How about some talk about why times are tough and who they are tough for? Who is working, and who is making money off the work being done? Who continues to make more and gain more (“earn” isn’t the right word) despite how we are told there’s just no money out there? If taxing the wealthy is job-killing, where are all the jobs they should have been creating with Bush-era tax cuts and as their wealth has climbed over the past decades? The corporate welfare and happy-ending entitlements our system allows goes unexamined, but workers trying to collecively protect a middle class existence is seen as some kind of threat to the nation. Who wins when 90 percent of the population is reduced to cattle, simply plodding through life forced to work for peanuts and creating wealth for 10 percent? So who do you think supports breaking down the workers? When you see bonuses and salaries continue to roll out on top, do you really think teachers and their benefits are scarfing up all the money?

Asking for concessions in salary and benefits is reasonable when times are tough, trying to take concessions AND your rights as a worker is not. How about some talk about why times are tough and who they are tough for? Who is working, and who is making money off the work being done? Who continues to make more and gain more (“earn” isn’t the right word) despite how we are told there’s just no money out there? If taxing the wealthy is job-killing, where are all the jobs they should have been creating with Bush-era tax cuts and as their wealth has climbed over the past decades? The corporate welfare and happy-ending entitlements our system allows goes unexamined, but workers trying to collecively protect a middle class existence is seen as some kind of threat to the nation. Who wins when 90 percent of the population is reduced to cattle, simply plodding through life forced to work for peanuts and creating wealth for 10 percent? So who do you think supports breaking down the workers? When you see bonuses and salaries continue to roll out on top, do you really think teachers and their benefits are scarfing up all the money?

Walker’s real intentions were always a well reasoned speculation because publically he would say this is about Wisconsins budget and not being anti-union. The call just confirmed that he was lying all along and furthermore was constructing a scenario to flatter himself as some kind of Reagan clone (whose policies by the way has brought us to this economic mess). I think you will see most of the other Republican Governors flee from him like the pariah he is because he blew their cover.

The only time unions aren’t needed is when management treats workers fairly without them. The question is, would they continue to treat them fairly if they didn’t know that a union organizer would be on the next plane into town if they stopped. So, even those who don’t have a union benefit from the existance of unions.

There is no way around the recall being done before he has been in office for a year. I’ve already had a lawyer check on it. But, we will have plenty of boots on the ground gathering signatures on the anniversary of his inauguration. There is no rule against also gathering signatures for all of the Republican senators– checked on that too. And, since polls say 61% of people are against what he is doing, kicking him out shouldn’t be that difficult. We just need to keep those Democratic senators comfortable in Illinois until we can do it. The main threat Walker is making against them is withholding pay, which shouldn’t be a problem, since the people in Illinois and across the country are treating them like kings.

Nicole:nnFirst, what was your retired father doing with so much stock market exposure? Do you know that if he’d had the bulk of his retirement funds in U.S. Government securities (as most retirees should) he would have actually made about 10% while stocks tanked?nnTo your point about health care – that’s what happens when the STATE gets involved in providing health care benefits – get used to it unless sanity prevails and Obamacare is repealed. nnLastly, the Wisconsin legislation specifically exempts local police, firefighters, and State Patrol officers from the collective bargaining portion of the revision. Have you even bothered to read it?

This has nothing to do with money. The money has already been taken from the workers, given to the corporations, and the workers have agreed to let them do it. What he wants is to destroy the unions, since they are a huge asset to the Democratic party.

That’s the spirit Sinelli. Just send me my vouchers.

And meanwhile Walker extends his tax cuts to the very rich. Who are you kidding? You don’t think that money could ahve been used to fund state employee pensions (or any other number of underfunded matters)?

I wonder how Mr. Koch feels about someone impersonating him.

Then you had better stay away from the Alinsky Left if you hate dirty politics.

Much about the Prank call came out lastnight on the ED show (MSNBC) nWalker had thought about sending in “Disrupters” into the peaceful protest, including children and teachers, this sends a message that his own (Koch brother adjenda) is more important then to him then people safety. Also learned was his plan to sell the State’s power plants to (anyone) without bidding, without question – too much power for a simpleton Governer. nThe ED show talked about to top 10 doners to polititions, the top 7 donate to Repugs, the last 3 are Union donators to Democrats. “Take away the unions then all the money goes to the Repugs “nnWhat the HELL is wrong with people in this country – our rights are being peeled away, soon we will all be sheep, hearded around by these [pricks]

Show me proof of what your complaining about. This post was proof positive of coruption in government (dirty politics out in the open) I’m not so far left I don’t see dirt on both sides, but I know dirty politics when I see them..

When something doesn’t sit well with certain people, they tend to voice their “glass is half empty” feelings.

oh nice try morons.ndayyyyyem you guys are desperate! …LoL!!!!nsleepy eyed apolitical America is waking up to the ugly truth about unionsn

Thank you, thank you, thank you, “David Koch”. Thank you.

Wow. Here’s a person who trusts government securities as a good investment, but hates government-run programs (brass ring). nGovernment health care is run with 97% of monies being doled out for actual services, while private sector companies manage only 80% or less. Plus, America pays twice as much per capita for health insurance while not being able to cover a population the size of the entire South (50 Million people). nThere was a time before Republican changes to trade and taxation when a man could provide for all the needs of a 6 person household, including a college education, paid-off house, retirement AND stay-at-home motherhood. Since the 70′s, it’s all been downhill for the national/personal debt and stagnant middle-class incomes. nLet’s count all the wonderful programs and advancements brought to you by conservative causes. Oops, can’t think of any. Well, Prohibition maybe. What a great advancement. And McCarthyism. Oh, and the S&L disaster. And the Wall Street collapse. And the Energy policies that led to Enron. And the endless wars against two countries without weapons to speak of. And American torture policies. And the mortgage market collapse. And the Civil War. nBut the end of slavery, 40 hour work week, the concept of retirement for the middle class, child labor laws, environmental protection, women’s right to vote…all “liberal.”

When workers are paid less, small businesses have fewer customers. Good luck following this conservative program to its dismal end. People will wash their own car. Better be ready to charge a lot more for the few people with enough money left to have someone else provide the luxury of getting a car washed!

“the ugly truth about unions” is that they provide the only protection remaining between the very very rich and the increasingly desperate working class. If you don’t know history, read a book about why unions were created in the first place. If you think they’re evil, take a better look at what the intention is of the corporations ready to destroy the “American Dream” for everyone except the lucky and self-entitled wealthy class. nnWhen your boss decides to go along with all the others and demand a 60 hour work week with no vacation pay, no overtime, and no retirement or benefits, and minimum wage finally goes away, will you finally start admitting that maybe the very very very rich shouldn’t get everything they desire and be able to pass it from generation to generation to keep their power and taken wealth regardless of their contribution to the country’s citizens?nnOr perhaps you think you and your children are not ever going to need to work for anyone else ever again?

Amen, sista!nnThe trouble is that the uninformed Republican voting block believes what they’re told by their massive wealth-controlled media block. They’re told to hate liberals, so they do. They’re told to believe facts that are just made up, so they do. They’re told the war will last 40 days, that there are atomic weapons, that deregulation is good (I.E. Enron, Wall Street, S&L’s, the Mortgage industry) so they believe it even when disasters hit. When people become cattle, and education is taken away, they just won’t have any knowledge of how it was or should be. The Republican voters will just lanquish and toil until someone else takes to the streets and earns them back their rights and American Dream possibilities. It’s what they do.nnOr maybe they’ll take up arms against their own people because it’s the only job left that pays (because the wealthy will need protection from the masses). Conservatives are always on the wrong side of history. nnSlavery. Women’s Sufferage. Worker’s Rights. Prohibition. It’s just sad.

GOOD FOR HIM….IT’S ABOUT TIME SOMEONE STOOD UP TO THE UNION THUGS AND THEIR PUPPETS

Why hasn’t the President been in support of these freedom fighters? What is too political about standing up for ALL labor to collectively bargain? If we hadn’t had unions, there would still be child labor, work-till-you-drop hours with NO minimum wage, NO unemployment insurance, NO disability coverage; hell, there would be NO vacations or break time. It’s time he LEAD and stop doing what the Republicans have scripted for him – DON’T YA THINK?

if crime fighters fight crime, nand fire fighters fight fire, nwhat do freedom fighters fight?

I’ll bite:nnStoooopid plays on words?nnDid I win?

Tracy clearly walks the streets for a living, and as a result, she has “union envy.” Pimps and johns certainly aren’t having any of that union crap.

Given how well it was done, he should be incredibly flattered.

You only post pro posts but I shall post them many other places.n@dandmb50 u2013 I really don’t see the point, it seems to me is is saying what he has said all along. If the Dems u201cthat are on the lamu201d donu2019t come back can they assume they donu2019t want to be in office and have another election? I like the idea of making them pick up their checks in the chamber too. There has to be ways around this to get rid of these u201cscarrdy cats, Iu2019m going away and I will never come back and play with youu201d sounds like a playground bunch of five-year-olds. Very sad indeed, what a great lesson for real children.nSome children grow up, others just get older and leave town.nnDaniel .. Toronto, CANADAn

FORCING union dues to be taken out of a paycheck as a requirement to be a teacher in a state should be illegal. That’s why teachers are fleeing states like Wisconsin, PA, NY, etc for places like Florida.

I am unable to give a cogent response to your comment, since I can find no continuity between it and what I wrote other than we both have a proclivity for using upper case to make a point. I think we both need to stick to content and lay off the dramatics. I appreciate that you read my thoughts and suggest you now spend your time on Walkercare or better yet, Walkerepair. You will be busy. Perhaps some talcum powder would help cover your red state.

ME GUSTA EL DEMOCRACIA ABIERTA Y DIRECTA! Y TU?

The only way of people getting away with shit is that they CAN get away with shit, the system allows it, change the system and you change a lot..

How do we know this is really Gov Walker talking and not someone impersonating him? If this tape is real and not a fraud perpetrated by someone who opposes what Gov Walker is doing I’d expect to hear about this somewhere in the media, with the talk being directed towards how to indict him for high crimes and misdemeanors and have him removed from office.

Potty mouth? Where you from, Clem, Selma, AL? The term describes the malernoffspring of a dog. Nothing potty related about it. Why are you wingnutsrnalways so goddamned ignorant?

Potty mouth? Where you from, Clem, Selma, AL? The term describes the malernoffspring of a dog. Nothing potty related about it. Why are you wingnutsrnalways so goddamned ignorant?

Your family owned business is struggling, why? Do you have union carwash attendants? Do you pay their medical insurance? Or are you just greedy? It’s a car wash Honey, if I can’t pay my mortgage or buy groceries, I certainly am not gonna pay you to wash my car. Its the economy stupid!

This prank call to Wisconsin is evidence that the philosophy of Ayn Rand is the credo of the Republican Party. The Wisconsin Govenor was so eager to do the biddng of the wealthy elite, David Koch, just as in some Ayn Rand novel; apparently, politicans like Gov. Walker see themself as overlords of the working-class. Govenor Walker actually thinks that he’s going to enable the next big transfer of power because as he said to the fake David Koch, “it’s the right thing to do”.nnKoch brothers aside, the Bilderberg Group for decades meet annually to manipulate the world in their favor. For centuries there have been “special groups” of wealthy elite conspiring to create a “new world order” that gives them complete power while leaving the rest of the population with no voice or human-rights. nnNothing is sacred in a plutocracy, and governments are invalid as long as there are those with unlimited wealth who can purchase the right to rule over everything with no accountability or responsability. America should remember that 100-years-ago there was “special group” of wealthy elites that were called Robber Barrons. At the time, we lived on $2/day working 60/hr-wk which including children; we eat unsafe food; and we drank unsafe water.n

I agree with you, Splets. This prank call to Wisconsin is evidence that the philosophy of Ayn Rand is the credo of the Republican Party. The Wisconsin Govenor was so eager to do the biddng of the wealthy elite, David Koch, just as in some Ayn Rand novel; apparently, politicans like Gov. Walker see themself as overlords of the working-class. Govenor Walker actually thinks that he’s going to enable the next big transfer of power because as he said to the fake David Koch, “it’s the right thing to do”.nnKoch brothers aside, the Bilderberg Group for decades meet annually to manipulate the world in their favor. For centuries there have been “special groups” of wealthy elite conspiring to create a “new world order” that gives them complete power while leaving the rest of the population with no voice or human-rights. Nothing is sacred in a plutocracy, and governments are invalid as long as there are those with unlimited wealth who can purchase the right to rule over everything with no accountability or responsability.

Nothing is sacred in a plutocracy. America not forget that 100-years-ago there was a “special group” of wealthy elites who were called Robber Barrons, and they as plutocracy. At the time, workers live on $2 a day woking 60/hrs-wks which included children; we ate unsafe food; and drank unsafe water.nnHere is the Republican’s Strategy for Restoring SERFDOM in America!nPhase 1: Create Divisiveness – passing Bush’s Patriot Act & culturally bias legislationnPhase 2: Create Choas – passing financial deregulationsnPhase 3: Crush working-class empowerment – Union BustingnPhase 4: Elimnate the safety nets – end social security and medicare entitlements

I have to assume you are joking.

amazing how republicans want to do away with things – and not fix them.

What everyone of you is missing is that The Unions in question have agreed to cut their pay and pay into their pension and health care. What they are refusing to do is give up their collective bargaining RIGHTS. Which is the only thing that holds this Country together for the middle class. Also note that this Governor is not going after ALL Public Workers. Notice how he leaves the Police and Fire Dept out of the Bill he’s trying to pass. I wonder why nobody has talked about that? If your going to CUT all Public Workers then by all means CUT all Public Workers. He can’t just pick and choose. But he’s afraid and will go after the weakest first then come back in for the kill if he succeeds. Why is it that when times get bad Government goes after EDUCATION. I say let them all have their way, cut education, public health, public housing, all social services for that matter and WATCH what happens to the most “POWERFUL NATION”. There maybe 10% of this country who are so wealthy that they don’t know what to do with themselves or their money. BUT there are 90% of us who will fight tooth and nail to hold onto our RIGHTS as HUMANS. People are so quick to criticizes others until it HAPPENS TO THEM.nUnion wages and rights raised me in the 60′s and 70′s and now raise my children and my grandchildren. What’s wrong with THAT????

Ian Murphy is a foul mouthed, ignoramus and a person who uses the system but has never done anything for his country . I am hoping to meet him sometime. I relish the thought of having a dialog with the little scumbag. His rantings about our men and women in uniform qualify him as a merchant of hate. He is NOT a hero. If the members of any union claim him as their hero, shame on them. They should realize this dolt is anti-everything but Ian Murphy.

Ian Murphy should not be praised as a hero. He is a vicious, foul, anti- everything piece of dung. His article about US servicemen in 2008 shows his true colors. I will be most happy to meet with the little scumbag and discuss his morals and perhaps give him a tune-up. nnThe man, and I use the term loosely, is a user and has never done anything but take all of his life. Very clever and devious but a rat is a rat nby any other description.

And we worry about foreign terrorists? LOL – all we need to do is call our own reps to get all the info we would need to do very bad things. We know who will be where and when – what more is there? Good thing I am not a terrorist of any kind! Just a very worried person.

Amen brother!

David, you ignorant slut, no one is trying to do away with unions in the private-sector. If they can survive and thrive in the private-sector then more power to them. The same is not true in the public-sector. Let’s review and see if you can follow along.nnPublic-sector union members are paid from taxpayer “revenues.” Dues are collected from union members and those dues are then sent to Democrat candidates for office in the form of campaign contributions. Union-friendly candidates who get elected then sit across from the union representatives at the bargaining table and give away more taxpayer “revenues” in the form of higher compensation, lucrative pensions, and unaffordable healthcare plans. We the taxpayers are footing the bill for this vicious circle. The referendum on this issue has already occurred – it was called the 2010 midterm election and “Progressives” famously got “shellacked.” Public-sector “employers” (taxpayers) are not willing to support the outrageous demands of public-sector unions any longer. End of story.

These politicians have no morals, no ethics, no consideration for the voters only what is good for them and their billionaire supporters. Is this really America? Is this what our founding fathers fought and died for?nn

I’m still very confused about this whole situation in Wisconsin, but I heard on another network that a poll was being conducted from Union members and Teachers. So what. Should polls only be conducted using non-union people? I always thought polls were done at random, not knowing who was who or where they worked.nnDaniel .. Toronto, Canada