Did Wisconsin Republicans Break The Law?

Typical response from Democrats (unions) when they are the minority party – if you don’t have the power to influence a Congressional vote, then either attempt to back-door your agenda through legal recourse, run and hide, or import your union thugs to drum up an even worse anarchy than the sort for which you condemn the Tea party movement.nnYou’re a very cynical lot.

Legal recourse is only available when a law has been broken. You don’t seem to mind the law having been broken, as long as it’s by Republicans, and you don’t seem to be making anything but gross generalizations, to which it is difficult to respond. I would love to hear about this importing of “union thugs,” so please do try and be more specific, if you can. The bright side is the irony with which you ended your post. And, of course, that your post ended.

Come on now, who’s *really* using the tactic to back-door an agenda??nnTypical, disparage good citizens by calling them “union thugs.”

any arrests made after this illegal act , or anyone who was carried out should be null and void and sued.

Actually new study says RW is the most cynical. Drowining out the voice of the people, Republicans, Independents and Democrats isn’t America. Mind you there are Republican Union households. And I guess some Tea Party Unions. That just found out they got screwed.

Wow. Thanks to Barca for his bravery and persistence in speaking up in the face of legislators who seem to have no trouble breaking the law and then walking away.

Who was running and hiding during the Healthcare Act vote? Oh yeah, Republicans were. Didn’t see any RW criticism for all that.nnRepublicans are a very cynical lot.

What the WI Democratic Senators did in leaving the state was no different than what U.S. Republican Senators did in filibustering and placing secret holds on almost every piece of legislation during the first two years of the Obama administration, except that the WI Senators used this tactic, as the filibuster has historically been used, only to stop an extreme change in rights, not for every little thing.nnFurthermore, the WI Republicans have blatantly broken the open-meetings law and have obviously contradicted themselves about whether the collective bargaining provisions are fiscal in nature. First they insisted that the collective bargaining provisions were fiscal issues; then they said they could be passed without a quorum because they were not fiscal matters; then Walker said this morning again that they were fiscal items.nnThe national and state Republican politicians are absolutely ruthless and will do anything–legal or not, honest or not, ethical or not–to further the interests of the Koch brothers and their other corporate overlords. They are determined to turn this great nation into the Corporate States of America! They serve only their Unholy Trinity: the rich, the rascists, and the religious right.

As I heard it, no Republicans left their Congressional chamber when votes were cast (even though they knew they didn’t have the votes to stop the bill).nnDid you see something different?

You’re right, and I agree, and I’ll admit it. I should not have used the term “thugs”. My apologies.

What is ridiculous is that liberals believe that they have a right to hold taxpayers hostage, EVEN when there is a budget crisis! All Scott Walker asked was for the state employees to pitch in to their own retirement funds the same amount that most other Americans do to their own 401(k) plans. That is far from being a draconian measure. nnWhere was MoveOn’s outrage when the 111th Congress used the Constitution as toilet paper and used all sorts of backroom dealings and arm twisting to pass the healthcare bill that is nothing short of abuse of the enumerated powers of congress? You guys are hypocrites!

What some of you don’t get is that the public service union employers are at the top of a collapsing middle class economic souffle. Once the unions go, there is no voice for the people, None. Zippo. The people are without power. The reason that so many smart people got involved in this was because they recognize this fact. In short, unless you are already very wealthy, prepare to work harder for less money and pay more tribute to the oil companies. You might think that you are above it because you have a job, but in the end, you are just a working schlep, and the Republicans have shown, over and over again, that they do not care one bit about you.

“You’re a very cynical lot. ” You’re not fooling anyone with your blatant projection, opposite-of-Brilliant.

Nor should you have used the term “through legal recourse” as if that were a bad thing. Nor should you have said any of the other grossly dishonest things you said here and elsewhere. You have *a lot* to apologize for.

What is ridiculous is everything that comes from your ignorance-driven keyboard.

The repubs debated your health bill and voted and it still passed they didn’t run away so they couldn’t vote on it. But that doesn’t appear to be the dems way. Face it if the public unions are so great why force the people to pay your dues?

Note, this is a right wing liar in action, “All Scott Walker asked for was for the state employees to pitch in to their own retirement funds the same amount that most other Americans do to their own 401(k) plans.” Funny stuff “Jeff DiSario”, since he also wanted to make it illegal for the public union sectors involved to collective bargain for benefit in the future. I guess you think that 1+1=1 too.nHa, I can not say I support everything MoveOn does.

Bah bah bah.

The ridiculous thing here is when confronted with reason and logic, liberals simply name-call and do not actually confront the issue. we are in an economic crisis! everyone has to make sacrifices, this includes your precious unions, and everyone else other than public employees are making big sacrifices and now we take a step towards getting out of debt and everyone complains.nI would rather prepare for the future then have immediate satisfaction now, there is no reason that public employees should not have to chip in for their benefits and retirement, the rest of the world does it, why should they be so special, now I have not attacked anyone personally i have just written with logic, respond and criticize with logic not with jeering and namecalling, which gets us no where

That would have been the Fox news channel or Newsmax you were watching? Ever try C-span?

Bravo!!!!

I can certainly see this is a site dedicated to those of you on the left. Well I support Gov Walker 100% and I am a Independant hard working Wisconsin citizen. The thing that amazes me the most about the left is how well the union lobbyist have taught all of you to throw hate everywhere. I know you are disapointed with the bill being passed, but come on;lighten up with the attacks! This bill was supported by the majority of us hard working citizen-republicans, independants, and democrats. The restriction on Collective bargaining will prevent the unions from coming back next year and demanding huge raises for everyone to offset the funding they will make to pensions and insurance. It is needed to provide some fiscal sanity. Alright…I am prepared for all of your attacks now on me personally for my comments.

Sorry, you dems & unions just got outsmarted! Too bad you didn’t get outraged when Obummer,Pelosi & Reid shoved the health care takeover down our throats!

They are not “force[ing] the people to pay your dues?”. The people who are paying the dues are the union members. Another Right Wing liar appears. Are you working shifts, or just changing screen names?

No, the unions got greedier. All they wanted them to do is pay their fair share of their own benefits. I think it’s funny that all you libs didn’t get upset when the Obummer clan was making back door deals and wouldn’t even let the repubs in the meetings. If your coward dem senators would of stuck around to debate, maybe it would of turned out differently. But they decided it wasn’t worth it and they took a bus out of state! Tell the dums we want the 105B that they stuck away in the health care bill!

I don’t recall the repubs getting on a bus and going out of town? When the going gets tough, the dumbs get out of town!!!hahahah

You are incorrect Knot-Gov Walker did not remove Collective bargaining, he provided necessary restrictions to allow municipalities in Wisconsin the ability to manage their payroll expenses; without the restriction the unions have the ability to force high wage increases for all above the normal cost of living index. How do you believe these cities can survive if they cannot balance their budgets. The unions have brainwashed their members. No one is against the workers, just the union lobbyists!

Actually no.nThey conceded on the cuts.nLeave this site, you don’t belong here.nI am not a “Lib”.nA patriot does what is right, even when it looks wrong to people like you. They are not cowards. If they did, the whole works would have passed and there would have been very little publicity. Upside down, it was more than worth it to leave the state. They didn’t take a bus. “dums” is not even a word. Tell them yourself if you want it so bad.nTypical right wing emailed talking points spewed.nGive some more money to the rich and see if they will give you a part of it back.

“Did Wisconsin Republicans Break The Law? Yes.” Sounds more like wishful thinking. Man, you libs are funny…

Wasn’t a bus. Another fabrication by a right winger. Get off this site or I will send go to the right wing sites to do what your people are doing here.

So, Sen Miller wanted to read the bill before it was voted on? I thought Pelosi once stated that you had to pass the bill to find out what is in the bill.

Actually they took the cuts. Funny, what they passed first was the anti-union bill and not the budget bill.

Not really, it will be found to be illegal. If not we will throw the Republicans out. Actually, we will anyways.nI am not a Democrat really either BTW.

Actually you are lying too. The polls say it is not supported. What is supported is budget cuts, not union busting moves like this one. Even the independent polls state that it is around 60% against the bill and 40% for it. Walker and any others with him will be recalled. This “law” will not stand a legal test either. Keep believing all the one sided news from Fox, Newsmax and the others, and you will be really surprised at what happens.nTaking away their legal collective bargaining for benefits is not needed. These are rational people who would cut even more if the situation does not improve.

Knot, I believe he meant since the citizens of Wisconsin are taxed in order to pay the salaries of public union employees, that in essence we are paying the union dues being charged; and he is absolutely right, we are paying the dues to the unions that then in turn are used to support the democratic candidates-real fair system isn’t it!

You are an idiot. We DO pay into our own retirement funds!nWhy is it ok for 2/3 of the corporations in our state to pay NOTHING in taxes, but it’s not ok to have collective bargaining? nI.D.I.O.T!!!

Hey “Richz99″, are you even from here? Have you read the law?

Hey not asleep, do not accuse me of lying! Just another brainwashed protestor. I live in Wisconsin and have been to Madison twice these past few weeks in support of Walker so I have seen it. The bulk of the protestors are professional hippie protestors and college students that cannot turn down free pizza paid for by the unions. I have spoke with republicans, independants, and democrats and the mass majority agree with Walker. I respect your opinion until you start calling me a liar then you become just another hateful Lib.

The law applies to regular order… They weren’t in regular order… Therefore, the law doesn’t apply.nnEdit: grin…

I don’t even need to address your claim that unions got greedy. It doesn’t matter if unions were greedy or not. This was demonstrably not about the money: the Republicans in Wisconsin only were able to pass their shameful midnight bill because it removed ALL REFERENCES to the finances. nnThis bill is strictly and solely about workers rights (again, it has NOTHING to do with the money, AT ALL).

I guess that means… you won’t really answer a question… Follow blindly little sheep.nBah Bah.

I don’t even need to address your claim that there’s a budget crisis in Wisconsin. It doesn’t matter if there’s a budget crisis or not. This was demonstrably not about the money: the Republicans in Wisconsin only were able to pass their shameful midnight bill because it removed ALL REFERENCES to the finances. nnThis bill is strictly and solely about workers rights (again, it has NOTHING to do with the money, AT ALL).

no not forcing the people to pay their dues but they are public employees therefore paid by the taxpayers, so to ease the tax burden of the people and to help balance a budget, we cut some of these benefits so that the taxpayers are not paying for their retirement i am sorry but public employees are not entitled to peoples money, they should be given fair wages, which they have they are not entitled to a fat paycheck and also having ridiculous benefit packages to. just so you know I personally know one of those teachers, she makes $130,000 a yr plus all the extra, NO TEACHER IS WORTH THAT!n

No, actually they were doing their job.

“she makes $130,000[/yr] plus all the extra.” Prove it. I won’t buy it without you showing me the tax filing. I know plenty of teachers “Daniel”.nBTW, some teachers are worth that.nHow about I say you are not worth what you are earning? How dare you judge another person Daniel?nYour grammar is atrocious.

Have I read it myself? Just finished :) nnhttp://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=rules&jd=topnnIt takes a little time to find the Special Order provisions, but they’re there.nnGrin………

Well, I replied to the Sheep below with a link to the applicable Wisconsin rules for Special Order, but my post hasn’t made it through the MoveOn censors yet… nnAgain, this topic is lib wishful thinking.

Why must you resort to personal attack?n

I concur.

I have a question for you…If everyone has to make sacrifices, why don’t the corporations or the oil companies make any sacrifices? Why is the most profitable industry in the WORLD getting government subsidies? nnPlease tell me why the top 3% wealthiest individuals in the country needed a Tax cut?nnShouldn’t they be sacrificing too by your logic?

Never truth so well-spoken! Thank you dear!

Actually, they’re already paying more than their fair share. nnThey need a tax cut to get the economy moving again.

No, the “future” you will get after all the wealth in this country is AGGREGATED IN A FEW HANDS (as Lincoln feared in the long ago), is 98% of us living in subservience to a super-duper wealthy 2%. Yes, slave-labor wages is what is coming, ACROSS A HUGE SWATH OF WHAT WE CALL THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS NOW.nnThe MIDDLE CLASS will be GONE! nnIf college-educated school teachers (some with 2nd and 3rd degrees) making $51,000/year is too much for us as a society to afford, while giving BILLIONS in tax breaks to the wealthy, well, prepare yourself to welcome THE NEW BEST “3RD WORLD COUNTRY” (the USA) in the next decade or two.n

I have replied to this just waiting for the moderator to allow my reply to go through, I welcome a spirited debate on the topic, but I would like you to provide some facts and reliable sources to back up your claims, as I will mine. (Pending mods approval).

I want to know when the senators are going help balance the budget by offering to take a pay cut and also paying for their health insurance and retirement.

Wow! Way to go GOP. We just stole a page from the democrats and now they want to cry about it. NO UNIONS for government workers of any kind. I pay their salaries and I have no say in their negotiations, thats not right. There are way to many good teachers out there who don’t feel they should have to pay union dues(Thug Protection) anymore. I am a non union truck driver that makees a very good living cause I work hard and negotiate for myself. And I love how the libbys’ call the T.E.A. Party movement a violant movement when not one person has broken any laws or disrupted any government work like these idiots in WS.

I am not rich and hope the rich keep making money cause they keep me employed. You need to stop blaming the rich for the all the problems when its the unions that are the problem today. I do give to the rich and they do give me part of it back.

Hey guess what I am not in a union but I have workers rights. Now can you explin that.

The Republicans did not hold any thing from passing the first two years. They could not filibuster nything cause the dem’s had a super majority in the senate and a majority in the house. Now if I am wrrong thn tell me one bill that was stopped by Republicans the first two years of Barrakies’ reign as king.

There are so many “right to work” states. I do not understand how you pompous people seem to think that if the union rights are stripped, that somehow, “the people” will “lose power”, What power? the power to demand other middle class workers to pay for their benefits? You people are nuts. Paranoid, clueless and NUTS.

Your stupid. Name one company that does not pay some sort of taxes in WI.

I guess 1+1=1 is better than 1+1=wow look at all the tax payers money going into union officials pockets.

“smart” people? Let me tell you something…these “smart” people have a lot of nerve talking about “law” when they skipped town violating many laws on their own. They have a lot of nerve claiming a “law” was broken when they endorse fraudulent voting. They aren’t so smart, when they get up there and scream like idiots, instead of talking about it like rational people. That man is a lunatic, and that’s why they walked out. The “law” lets them have a meeting…the dems have to prove they shouldnt have had it. The Screaming Moron, would not let the opposition speak, and didnt allow him to explain, so the guy did what any SANE person would do, and just walked out. Then you guys post it on this website as if it is some fact that a law was broken just because some idiot quotes some case law that may not be enforced in this case? Case law is not statutory law by the way.

Last I counted non of the Republicans left the country to keep from debating or voting on the jobs killing old age killing baby killiing unhealthy Obamacare.

Just like a union supporter snding thugs to do things for them.

If the republicans pulled this stunt everytime the demos were a majority nothing would ever get done. Democrats are all about democracy until the democracy goes against them. Then its “patriotism” when the “minority” of the people have the biggest, selfish mouths.

I promise I can say alot more than that guy and have no apologies for it. Whenou are right you are RIGHT.

Thats wrong. they ar being forced cause you have to be a member to get the job.

Why are you judging Daniel?

The unions agreed to the financial concessions regarding their pension benefits and health care benefits IMMEDIATELY, but that is not what Scott Walker and the Koch brothers really wanted. Don’t trust me, check any number of newspapers and television stations around the world, and they’re all reporting the same story- even Fox has reported this. The #GOP absolutely INSISTED on stripping collective bargaining rights, which reduces the deficit by how much? NOT ONE PENNEY. Actually it INCREASES Wisconsin’s deficit, because Wisconsin will now lose federal dollars. nnAnd FYI, it was the Republicans who ran out of the meeting last night, jumped in a bus, before hopping a plane to Washington DC, where a party was thrown in their honor by the very lobbyists who’s goal all along was to break the unions. nnn

1. The law is the law and no two-bit politician has the right to break it. n2. The public workers do not have it better than private sector workers. For years they were underpaid with the promise of decent benefits. Now between their wages and benefits they are about even with the private sector. Some appear to make more but look at the degrees hanging on their walls and compare accurately. n3. A contract is a contract is a contract. When the living was good – the legislatures procrastinated and underfunded the pension funds – now there is no money and rather than face the truth they want to make the workers pay again. n4. The ad says it all – the WI legislature just gave tax cuts to the rich and want the public employees to pay for it. n5. How would you like a $3000.00 cut in your paycheck this next year? n6. Did the legislature vote a cut in their pay and adjust so they would pay more for their benefits? They too are public workers. nnTime for Muamar Fitzgerald and Hosni bin Walker to find out what it’s like to be unemployed.

Hey you have to bust the unions cause they refuse to work witht the state to fix the problem.

Right on. If it weren’t for the unions and the WI unions in particular – we’d still be working 18 hour days – 7 days a week. No sick time or vacation time. No unemployment insurance or workman’s comp. No fire escapes – locked exits. There is more but this should make the point.

What about giving all the hand outs to those who sit on their buts and do nothing to help themselves. That is what Lincoln was truely affraid of.

Lets look at this logic. History shows when you over tax the rich the rich quit spending so then the middle class start getting layed off and they lose their homes. By the way when did they get a tax cut?

So you work for Koch or Blankenstein? Even Buffet says the tax cuts are a rip off and he doesn’t think it is fair that his secretary gets to pay a higher tax rate than he does.

You need to go back to school and learn your history, boy. You have those worker’s rights because union members fought and died for them for everyone.

I am only saying that teachers are usually payed a median income, that is in most states, and surely wisconsin can not afford to pay all those teachers that much, plus benefits. nAlso, the difference between that teacher and me is that I am not payed by taxpayers but by a private individual who gets to decide how much I make and am worth, and since I am a taxpayer, I do in fact have a say in how much public employees are paid. I know several good teachers but that does not mean they are worth all that much, now if you are a teacher employed by a private institution then you have every right to be paid as much as the institution wants to pay you, but when your dealing with someone else’s money you can’t spend it recklessly, with no regard to the people groaning under a ridiculous tax burden or with no regard to a debt that is piling up. If you do not have the money to buy something, you generally go without unless you have no financial sense whatsoever. It just makes sense.

You guys keep talking about tax cuts what tax cuts?

well here is a bit of info you can look up yourself, in 2009 the top 3% were paying 87% of the countries tax revenue, now when their taxes keep going up and they cut more and more jobs it will not matter because we will all be on the unemployment line and the government certainly can’t handle that because when that happens there will not be many rich people left either, they already pay most of the taxes and i think they should but not so much that they cut more jobs

They did not break any law by skipping town.nnTheir BRAVE action helped open the eyes of Wisconsinites to the scam the governor and his Corporate overlords were about to perpetrate against the people of Wisconsin.nnTheir action was tantamount to a filibuster. If ever a piece of legislation needed filibuster, this was it. To destroy a century of hard-fought labor laws and rights by a simple majority in congress (and by cover of darkness, to boot) as the Governor tried to do at first, definitely demanded such dramatic action.nnThe “Wisconsin 14″ are American heroes of the first order.n

I am not talking about the Unions of old. The original Unions were the reaason there are laws now to protect the employee but the unions went on to become what they used to fight against. Don’t make a connection between what was done back in the 20′s and 30′s to the uinons of today. My dad was one of those that fought for workers rights and thn later saw the unions go corupt.

We have no disagreement there :)

And the Unions did agree to the cuts you idiot – read the paper but get off Fox Noise – warped and skewed. That has nothing to do with collective bargaining. Don’t go spouting off about hostage taking when Republican politico’s invented and excel at it. YOU are being held hostage by the republicans in government. The only thing you are good enough for is for your wallet and your vote. They don’t give a rats ass about you and your needs as a human being or a middle class worker. Tell me – can you afford to take a $3000 cut in your pay this year? If you based your house payment and all your other bills on the wage you were told you were going to get and then found out you were going to have your wages cut – how would you feel? The rich wall street boy’s club has pretty much decimated the private sector working class and now the repubs are going after the public workers.

Actually I just got a 16k a year raise and I didn’t get it from a hand out tfro the government I worked hard for it and not one union official did anything to help me get it.

I am not talking about sacrificing in the way of paying even higher taxes, when the income tax was instituted congress promised that it would never go above 11%……now people completely flipped about that…..I would die for that rate again, when the expenses go above the tax revenue it should not mean that we raise taxes, it should mean we need to cut our spending, except maybe in times of war or something of the sort.

Its called owning it. I on’t care if you make $2 a week you should have to pay some taxes. When people get back all these freebies they don’t respect the ones who payed into it but when they have to pay in to it they will own it.

Go catsrus. You know these libby’s don’t care if they break the law. You know if you look back in history if a dem brock a law or acted inapropriate the refused to step down out of office but in most cases if a GOP did something wrng they woul step down cause they understand the honor in it.

No they are not. They are pond scum. My daughter and all my neices and nephews are hero’s serving in uniform to protect the right s that God him self gave us. Don’t ever call any political hag a hero dem or rep.

ROFLOL. BAH BAH BAH. It has been said that some slaves loved their masters, but this is a trip.

They have done it. They will do it again.nIt has another name. Filibustering. In this post I was responding to slurs against Democrats. No, we are still about Democracy, Walker never said anything about cutting some collective bargaining. So we are not being represented. It is the people who feel betrayed, like me who are the angriest.nTruth be told, polls show, we are in the majority in the state, and more people are against the removal of union bargain than for.nLook at all the polls.

There are all kinds of heroes in this world. Calling them heroes has nothing to do with or negate the heroism of our armed forces. It was a difficult decision that group of politicians made. They took a stand and supported their belief. Now a days that is a rare thing.

I tried to post the proof to you, but was not allowed as it linked to a website. The republicans did filibuster starting in the second year of Obama’s term. Apparently they did quite a bit of it too.

The people that came to rally and fight against this most frightening move against the unions which have been a back bone in American history, are neither liberals, demos or Repubs. They were teachers, nurses, city workers, just like all of us. Please explore more of the truth about what is happening there and in many other places. Please do not stay ignorant and uninformed. There was no huge financial crisis, until the new governor there gave corporations in that state a 1.8 million dollar pass on taxes. That created the problem. The unions that supported this governor where the police and firemen, they were not being hurt by this bill, only the teachers and nurses, etc. Yet the fireman and policemen were supporting the teachers by coming out and rallying with them. Please learn what is real. This was not about dishonor. This was about stepping out of the game long enough to let the country see what this governor is doing in that state. There are things happening like this. Wake up, if we don’t you will not even recognize this country in the next 20 years!!

Try this.nErnst and Young estimates Wisconsin businesses pay 35% of total state tax receipts, as opposed to a 40% average nationwide. Additionally, Wisconsin businesses pay 47% of local taxes, compared to 52% nationwide. The study then concludes that if Wisconsin businesses paid the national average, they would pay $1.3 billion more, and individuals would pay that much more less.

Really, how do you get that? I am in Economics, what do you do? That is not the way things work. Go ahead, settle. Be a sheep.

Silly, they had agreed to pay their fare share. They make less than the private sector there. That is the truth. They had agreed. But they did not agree to dismantle the unions. Again, does everyone watch Fox news in this country to shape their beliefs? You do not know what you are talking about. They could not have debated, that was done. The unions had agreed to the cuts, but not the removal of their bargaining powers. That became the bottom line issue. Yeah sure, a bunch of senators decided not to hang around to debate so they jumped on a bus, wee this is fun and left town. Do you even believe what you just said. Please look up the facts. These are people like all of us. And I am not a libby or whatever you call them. And, Obama had nothing to do with all of this. Again, listening to some crazy news cast filling people with lies again. So what if the unions usually support the democrats and the working blue collar man. That money is nothing compared to what is filled into the coffers of any Republican candidate these days. We still need the unions to help protect the worker. I suppose you are for lowering the minimum wage and getting rid of all workers benefits so that the corporations come back to America again to put people to work. Truly scary place this is becoming.

sorry, typing error.

Yes, correct, In the United States Congress they can do the exact same thing only they do not have to leave the building to do that. It is called fillibusting. They can sit there on their fat ass and NOT vote. That is what happened all last year and why things did not get done in the US Congress. In the Wisconsin State Senate they can not just sit there like that they had to leave to accomplish the same thing. Please learn more about how your government works.

Good Lord! No wonder we are in trouble. When a person is so grateful to the rich for a job, when they do not seem to place any value on themselves, we have a major problem. Do you know that unions for Nurses actually benefit patients. Did you know that unions do not just bargain for pay and benefits, but they bargain for better care of patients by asking for better conditions and products and all kinds of things. Please eduate yourselves.

Blah blah blah bah bah bah.nShow me it in the original writing of the health care act.

Steve, first tax cuts that have been given to the top 1% of our country. They have more money than something like 90% of the people in this country. If we increased the taxes on them for even a few years, we could get out of the mess we are in. And yes even you and me do not pay as much in taxes as we did 15 years ago. You have workers rights, because of the Unions. They set the standards for all workers just about. In my city, we had 2 hospitals, one Union and one not. The non union nurses got an increase in wages everytime the union got one. They have to be pretty close. Now a days though there are quite a few people in unions getting less pay than non union. Go figure.

Sorry brother, get some education. Look up “alot”. It is either a lot, or use another word. Try to keep your words separated. Did you know Walker got panned for bad ethic in his college campaign? He also never obtained a degree from his college.

Learn to spell.

It is a quote from you,did you notice?nDon’t you just feel the love you have sent out here?

Are you having fun here?nI am putting you on ignore.nFrom now on I reply to people I want to and not everybody. You are wasting my time..

How about the cheater John Ensign?nnAnd David Vitter?nn

Bring it.

What do they pay you? Slave-labor wages? I bet so.nnNothing wrong with being rich. But true economic prosperity (on a broad scale) does not come by promoting policies that concentrate a nation’s wealth in ONLY A FEW HANDS.nnBetter-paid workers drive economic growth by purchasing big-ticket items like new vehicles, homes, high-end appliances, etc.nnThat is why Clinton’s Presidency gave our nation its GREATEST PERIOD OF PROSPERITY EVER. The middle-class was strong and vibrant and, while the rich were taxed a slightly higher tax bracket, THEY WERE STILL INCREASING THEIR NET WORTHS, but not at the expense of everybody else as Republican policies always seem to do.nn”ALL BOATS WERE RISING,” as President Clinton used to say. I miss you already, Bill.

So you are saying that they should have no say, but you should? Than you should have no say in yours either. Nor should you have a say in how many hours you work, work conditions, benefits, holidays, or anything related to your employment.nYou can say otherwise, but the Teamsters are responsible for making trucking decent.nbah bah bahn A poor little sheep who has lost his way, bah bah bah.nwell this dog says fend off you own wolves when they reach your door. What will you do, when all the wages are so low that less truckers are needed?nnTrucking my friend is on it’s way down from where it was. Diesel Fuel is going to go up higher. Keep supporting the rich, and watch things get worse. They have gone downhill since the seventies, as unions have lost members and international trade has been popularized.nnI know trucking too.

That is a bold-faced lie! Or you are ignorant of labor laws. I work in a Unionized environment, and some employees simply don’t join or pay dues even though they are enjoying the benefits that the Union negotiated. Scabs.

Not true. The Union conceded the financial cuts, but Gov Walker and his corporate sponsors and Republican nation-wreckers had a different agenda. It wasn’t even about the money. You wing-nuts will pay for this.

To the fellow below who dismissed the quote law because it was “case law” and not “Statute Law”, you clearly don’t understand law in a Common Law nation (the USA is one). Common Law rulings by the courts have the same status of Law in a Common Law Jurisdiction, you can’t dismiss one as inferior to the other to suit your version of the facts.

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”nJohn F. Kennedy

THE REPUBLICAN MAFIA WANTS TO GET ITS HANDS ON THE WISCONSIN PENSION FUND WHICH IS IN THE TRILLIONS. THE ONLY ONES WHO ARE POWERFUL ENOUGH TO GUARD THAT MONEY.

You won’t much longer!

Why is it that Conservatives have to resort to name calling like little 5 year old children? “Libs”, “Obummers”, “Barrakies” please grow up already!

What back room meetings are you talking about, specifically? There were none. Republicans could have participated at any time but turned their backs on the people and decried, “Nyooo! If we’re not gonna play by our rules then were not gonna play at all! Nyeah!nnIf you’d turn off Fox long enough to think for yourself you might realize that the health care bill helps ALL OF THE U.S. CITIZENS. Removing collective bargaining for only helps big business. The Kochs are trying to strip the Unions of their power and they’ve attacked were they’re most vulnerable.

Here’s a logical response for you! It’s funny you should talk about reason and logic because I’ve seen much less of it from conservatives. I don’t think any democrat came up with phrases like “LIBS”, “OBUMMER” or “BARACKIES” just to name a few. I’ve also witnessed a great deal of mindless generalizations from conservatives who have a very twisted view of the facts. I have to say, the thing that just absolutely astounds me is how conservatives can say something or behave badly and then turn right around and accuse democrats of doing exactly the same thing. That, I have witnessed on a daily basis. nSo let’s just concede here that none of us are any better than the other!nn

John’s right. What you say here, “Steve D”, is a falsehood.

Yep, a “median income”, not a high income. Much of what they bargain for has to do with the way the class is operated.nPrivate institution usually have a board that decides those things. The reason for the groaning is because people such as you keep lowering the taxes on those who can afford to pay more. That will not result in more jobs, nor will it result in a better economy. What it will result in is keeping more money out of the economy.nThey did give in to what was asked them– to increase the amount they are responsible for imputing into their pensions.nWhat you are saying makes no sense. Public teachers have more to do than private teachers.nTeachers in public schools do not get money to spend as you suggest. In fact they often spend their own money to get the supplies the classes need.nI agree the pensions were off kilter, but to take out the collective bargaining is a mistake.nWhen we can not afford to invest in the future of this country than we are doomed.

Oh look, you are wrong.

Gods don’t exist, the sooner the sheeple figure that out the better off this planet will be.

Ignorance is bliss…

I do not remember God himself giving a county power to invade a country, while killing thousands of innocent people. If God gave you that right, that isn’t my God.

Sounds like you, sir, are struggling with basic grammar. Maybe those yearly education cuts have affected you.

And you post on this website like the perfect Fox talking point sheeple. This had nothing to do with budget. It is a power grab and we all as Americans lose.

Stevie . . . it’s time to go do your spelling homework. Mom

Please…what’s the point of giving 24 hour notifications if senators aren’t even in the state? We need to cut public employees in a big way. The private sector just can’t afford them right now. Get the private sector moving again and we’ll hire government workers to SERVICE us again. The people voted Walker in…the PEOPLE have spoken. They are tired of being handcuffed by unions hell bent on fleecing Wisconsin workers of their hard earned money. It’s time for union collapse.

So – hope to see you all in Madison WI on saturday for the events scheduled. Rumor is Bruce sprinsteen might be there, anyone know anything about it??

The Republican’s won the elections, the Democrats lost. Dem’s should build a bridge and come back home. They aren’t heroes, and they aren’t setting a good example. Maybe the Repubs should have fled the country when the Dems rammed Obama Care down out throats……

do you guys ever look past your nose? You act like this reverts to 3rd world country labor laws. (none) are you really that stupid? Can you look around and see that many states do not have forced unions at all and are doing just fine? I’m a career government worker and so is my spouse. We are not part of a union, but our benefits and pay are wonderful. We pay for our own benefits. What you people do not seem to understand, is that that public workers do not need unions. They do not need collective bargaining rights against the government. They just unionize against tax payers! The government should not have to ask a union for permission to cut government costs. That’s ridiculous. There shouldnt be a rule where someone is forced to pay 700 bucks a year and more on union dues. Take that money and pay for your own benefits like the rest of us.nnYou think they are heros for protecting Union mobsters? What a freaking joke! You have no idea what a hero is….nAnd you dont think they broke any laws? Why do you think they fled the state? So they could avoid getting brought back to work by the state police.nnAnd the same people who back the statements this meeting “violated the law” are the same lunatics who think the demos served democracy by fleeing town! (LOL!!!) I hate to break it to you but if there are more repubs then demos in the senate, the PEOPLE put them there. and the DEMOs should stop being sore losers and let democracy run it’s course….

lol they took a stand on being ridiculous. More proof the demos have no real clue on how the government should run or who should run it.

so much misinformation in this post, but what’s laughable is your comment: “most frightening move” LOL!!!!! I could sit here and write a book on how you completely misunderstand the so called “tax breaks” to the corporations and businesses, but I do not think you’d understand. One of the “tax breaks” involves not asking corporations that have not done business in the state for 2 years to pay taxes. If you sold your house two years ago and moved to another state, do you think you should still be paying taxes? That is a simplified example of the various “tax breaks” the liberal rags like to wave in front of their gullible sheep. If the sheep would research and figure out how “money works” they’d feel pretty stupid for backing these unions. Unions are no longer needed. We have labor laws that deal with workers rights.

uh….I’m all for taking power from the unions…they do not need that kind of power. And it does have to do with the budget. Research how budgets work and understand what you are reading, and you will SEE that he did the right thing.

and getting rid of unions repeals all of the labor laws right? Riiiiggghtt…..

lol they have to stand up and talk the whole time. They cant sleep, ect. Demos have used the filibuster, so don’t be such a hypocrite. If WI had the filibuster instead of a 20 man quorum rule, this would have been over already. Don’t compare skipping town for 3 weeks to a filibuster where someone actually has to be active in participation on the floor. YOU need to learn how government works and stop comparing apples to oranges.

“Save” me too? I’m not in a union. And disbanding the unions will not affect me at all. Ive never been in a union and have always done well in “right to work” states. Disbanding unions will not undo labor laws. You clinge to unions like a worn out baby blanket. Time to let go! See my above post on filibuster. Another dem compares apples to oranges.

for fks sake…one of the best medical centers in the world is in houston texas…(they are also THE largest) AND GUESS WHAT…they are a right to work state. THATS RIGHT…not unionized. The unions should have been disbanded after the achieved their labor law goals. We have so many orgainization that regulate labor under the law. Unions have outlived their purpose. EDUCATE yourself.

clinton gave us the equal housing laws that caused the huge bubble bust bush tried to stop yet got blamed for. He also pilfered the SS surplus to “pay off the debt” You demos love giving the man who destroyed our banks all the credit he doest deserve.

they only agreed because they knew they’d lose. They’d have thumbed their noses at anyone otherwise.

you are comparing apples to oranges. filibusters require participation on the floor. If WI had the filibuster instead of the 20 man rule, this would have been over a long time ago.nnAnd your demonizing corporations is over the top ridiculous. Just ridiculous. How can you demonize corporations and not mafia ran unions that now operate under the guise of “helping the working man” when the “working man” is already protected by labor laws? the unions have outlived their usefulness. The corporations have not.nnYou call the rebubs ruthless? I do not see them committing wide scale voter fraud and busing paid protesters from other states for their causes….do you? No. thats an underhanded democrat thing.

To all those of you who think Michael Moore is a hero just ask him how many union workers he hired to make his movies. Oh I know NONE!

the law wasnt broken. And any sane person would walk away from someone who just stood up and yelled NO! and started screaming when he calmly tried to explain. Did you not see the video? He jumped up and started SCREAMING. There is no “talking” to a person like that. Just walk away….

yes I agree, you’re kinda dense. I also love how the demos lead their sheep into thinking corporations owe some big taxes. Let me clue you in: Profits corporations make go to the shareholders…which are people, who pay taxes on those earnings. So lets say, a company makes a huge profit, the shareholders pay taxes on that profit. Do you want them taxed twice? That’s like getting taxed when you get your check, and then taxed the same amount when you cash it. If they are “sheltering” profit, its just so they dont get double taxed. What I do not get is why you idiots buy into the idea the “rich” dont pay taxes, when without their money the government would collapse. The “Well off” pay 96 pct of the taxes in this country. the top 2 pct pay over 50 percent. As one demo likes to constantly post: “educate yourself”

You need to look up the word “average” in a mathematical sense and what it means. You obviously have no idea.

in the end it does have to do with money. They do not want to have to deal with the unions everytime they make a budget decision. Good move.

you’re in economics? What are you? An educated idiot? LOL

HA HA HA BLAH BLAH BLAHnTo anybody who supports the Democrats. Stop replying to those on here who are anti-union or anti-democrat. They just want to waste your time and rile you up for fun and profit. They don’t want to discuss anything, they don’t want to learn anything, all they seek is disruption.nThey seek your attention, so ignore them.

how about you turn off your liberal rags and actually watch C-span? or maybe live footage of your demo reps? Then you’d stop telling others to turn off fox, and might go repub yourself. I mean how people like you can be lead around by the nose by the liberal media when you can stream what goes on into your own living room …well I have no idea,,,well maybe…Researching what actually happens actually takes some synaptic function.

No, but it sets the tone and reveals their agenda.

“They just unionize against taxpayers!”nnGo ahead and tell me that corporations are not organizing against taxpayers far more successfully than the unions.

Checked the polls lately? We’re the majority, not the minority.

lolnwow

Because you have inherited certain rights from groups that fought for them.

You’re not convincing anyone that you’re a math professor.

I’ve noticed this phenomenon too. I guess it’s collective projection…

“I pay their salaries and I have no say in their negotiations, thats not right.”nnYour taxes pay for a myriad things – very likely, you have “no say” concerning the details or applications in most or all of them.

the agenda of balancing the budget and not having to deal with union thugs? good for them.

your comment makes no sense. or are you one of those silly sheep who think “Corporations pay no taxes on billions”?

about? :P

when you have more Republicans in the senate than demos, that were elected by the people, you are the minority. Polls dont mean much…when they poll the people they know will answer the way they want.

@ Samsara…ndoes it really take an explanation? I’ll give you a tiny clue:nIf every single state that paid less than the national average suddenly paid the “national average” in taxes…the average would go up quite a few points. The figures WI pays influences the “national average” That’s why its called a “national” Average… This in turn explains why its a fallacy in logic to expect more taxes based on an “average” that itself is influenced by the state they are talking about.nnI guess demos that need this explanation are anomalies of genius….

the law wasnt broken. lol I explained it in an earlier post. But believe what you want. And I will say “union thugs” and not apologize for it.

Is that what the union tells you in their “welcome packet”?nI guess they want you to feel good after convincing you to hand over your pay. How much does the union leadership make anyway?

violant????? I think they need to pay the teachers in you area A LOT MORE!!!!

@catsrus: “u00a7 101.003. Right to BargainnnA person’s inherent right to work and to bargain freely with the person’s employer, individually or collectively, for terms of the person’s employment may not be denied or infringed by law or by any organization.”nnDirectly from the Texas Labor Code, so I have no idea where you get the idea that there are no labor unions in Texas.nnThe University of Texas, where the Anderson Cancer Center is, is also unionized.

I keep hearing democrats and democracy. Obviously young people or ones who did not remember why the demos got booted for so many years. They used to be the southern democrats! The north was mostly for the republicans. The south wouldn’t let the republicans have ok’s in the south. Finally in the 1970′s the south realized they weren’t the same party anymore. And that they were freely spending money. And running the country in debt. And the unions used to be good for the employees. But now I hear about workers revolting against unions. And why do we have to be forced to be insured by the government? I don’t want to have to pay for insurance for the wealthy too! People want the wealthy taxed so bad. We would be having to pay for their insurance too. increased Taxes!! Nothing in this world is free. I hate to tell you. But we would be paying increased taxes in the future to do it. We already have to pay some for medicare and medicaide. But it is being used by the ones who need it. Not everybody! We already have insurance for the needy. Medicare and medicaide.

I hate to tell you that wal mart has all of those things. But they don’t have a union! Anytime anyone has tried to start one in the past they closed the store. Or the section that tried. EX. the deli got shut down at one of their stores because of it.

@ PeytonnnTexas is a right to work state. You do not have to join a union to work there. That is the point. The Texas unions are NOTHING like the forced union states. If you do not show up for work, or have a shoddy work record, you get canned. the unions do not have the power there they do in places like WI. I’m from Texas..I know how it works. Learn to get the point. Texas is not a Unionized state. The unions there have no power. period. they are a joke. The most they can do is threaten to sue in case someone gets fired lol

Walker purposely u201cStarved the beastu201d by letting company pay almost noting in taxes and you want the working people to make up the difference for those poor millionaires and billionaires. Also if you payed attention the unions gave in to all financial request. Note collective bargaining is not a financial request. Even Reagan said it was akin to free speech for the worker. So if your against workers, the constitution, and even Reagan then good for you.

Look up the Treaty of Tripoli. Our founding fathers told us that our rights and laws were not given to us by god but by and for we the people. Also serving in a honest fashion in civics is a duty worthy of being called a hero. Service personnel in the armed forces keep us safe from those that would take up arms against this nation, but you forget that forces like the USDA has saved untold many people from the greedy profiteering of corporations that would rather risk you children lives to make additional profit. If a politician is truly working for we the people and not for the corporations than yes they are heros. Some heros have guns. Some have papers. Same hero difference weapons in the fight for the average Joe.

O snap. I am going to steal you quote. Good show Samsara

Fine let the corporations take us back to the gilded age. I’m tired of living wages, rights, and a future for the next generation. We already know what happen when we let free market do it thing. We called it the great depression.

If your still making a profit in that state than yes you should still pay taxes. this law is for company that take out there brick and mortar stores but still operate in the state. Also stop trying to protect company’s that pay smaller tax bracket than your average worker. You need to look at history. I can tell you that with what I have seen you post on these forms that you lack any knowledge of the United States of America. The founding fathers took up arms against big company when it was squashing the little guys with the OK from the British crown. I think you should look up the Boston tea party as it prove my point well.

Apparently they mean something, or we wouldn’t conduct them and politicians wouldn’t react to them. But if you prefer to remain trapped in your own subjectivity, keep talking. Maybe you’ll convince yourself eventually?

He saved 1500 jobs or didn’t you notice that. It had everything to do with the budget. Had the democrats shown up they would have had the opportunity to vote. They turned chicken and ran. All the treats of violence now shows the mentality of the union thugs and the people who follow them.

How long have you lived in Wisconsin. There was and is a financial crisis. Corporations create jobs, they hire people. The firemen and policemen put their lives on the line everyday. Don’t you think they should be protected? Collective bargaining is not a right.

He didn’t “save” 1500 jobs. They were never lost to begin with. He was using that as a threat to scare everyone into submission. Funny that the amount of the budget “loss” seems to be the same amount of the “gimme’s” he gave to the corporations and rich. The only “thugs” out there are people like you, paid trolls who can’t see the forest for the trees. Funny how absolutely NO arrests have been made during these protests. But then again free speech only seems to pertain to undereducated fauxers like you. Look for new talking points because yours have already been proven wrong.

they’re getting rid of the EPA, and any other regs they can. Just wait work labor laws soon enough.

@ Joseph.nnYou’re entire post shows you have no clue what you are talking about. “Stave the beast”? Are you out of your mind? “Almost nothing”? did you bother to actually research what companies paid there? Obviously not. Reagan was around when Unions were needed. We do not need Unions for government workers period in regards to money and benefit negotiations. They still have their use, but what I mentioned above is not one of them. And were do you get removing those “collective bargaining” rights makes the teachers pay more? Is there something wrong with people having the right to work without joining a union? No. There is nothing wrong with that. I dont even think Reagan would have liked the idea of people being forced to pay for union fees to work.

No, they are not getting rid of the EPA…are you out of your mind?

good lord, you’re stupid.

You need to actually research these “cuts” and what they mean. You sound ridiculous not knowing. Its funny how you believe everything your liberal rags tell you.

@ JosephnnWhat part of **did no business in the state for two years** was hard for you to understand? I’ll try to break it down for you….nnAnd no, it wasnt “big business” they took arms against…it was the GOVERNMENT. And you say I dont know history? The “tea party” was about TAXES not business.nnIf the tea was as cheap as other tea..the colonist wouldnt have given a rip about the company, brand or where it came from. The whole event was about taxes, the government and prices. No one gives a rip about the company that makes the product. nnThey were angry tea was getting taxed and they had no representation. None at all. Stop with the revisionist liberal history…and stay off Wikipedia…that’s not the best place to get info…it’s as biased as your liberal rag.

@ SamsarannI said the republicans were the majority.(In WI…the whole subject of the article) My point was, they were the majority in the government as elected by the people. We go by that…not polls. I know what my point was..i made it. Do you get it yet? That is not being “subjective” it’s being objective. Something you seem to have trouble with, if you go by polls rather than the fact there are more republicans in that senate than democrats. Get it yet? Or do I have to make it even simpler for you?

The reason Wal-Mart has any benefits at all is because unions fought for them for their workers. They have also been found guilty on a regular basis of violating their own work rulesNon-union businesses had to compete with unionized businesses to get a decent work force. So they had to offer similar wages and benefits.nn If the GOP succeeds in breaking the unions, you’ll see working conditions deteriorate here. There are Republican legislators who are already looking at repealing child labor laws.

This is about your response to my post under this post that I can not respond on. If that is what you want to believe than fine. I am just glad that you allows me to show your true colors with your response to my post. I was much like you when I graduated high school. I have made it a point in my life to better myself and learn more. I now know better and recommend that your try reading Thomas Payne’s u201cRight of Manu201d as it is a good read and helps to give contexts to our revolution.

Walker porpoise gave additional tax brakes for company that did not need them for the sole propose of making a financial crisis.

Really. which company’s are you talking about. I’m curios. You have conveniently havens named any. Secondly you have never read anything about the Boston tea party. I may use Wikipedia for a lot of my information much of my knowledge comes from text books made in 1990,1950, and few from earlier (1905, and 1917).

Right. the only good point you have is I spelled starved incorrectly. And just to let you know I work in a right to work state and lost my job because I was a whistle blower that prevent coworkers from getting injured. If I was part of a Union that would have not happened. You are either payed by a PR firm or ignorant of the United states history on labor.

Evidence?

I posted this four days ago. You didn’t grace this thread with your presence (no, seriously, you should be embarrassed by your posts here – quantity and quality) until the day after, and when you showed up, you thought it’d be smart to imply that I missed a point which hadn’t yet been made by you. And, to be honest, still hasn’t. I’m awestruck.

You really have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, at all. Show me the law. I don’t mean your dumbass interpretation of the law. I want the statute information. Do you even know what that means?

You did not answer the question they asked. Instead you spew your own opinion. There were no arrests because the police favored the Unions. That’s obvious. He did save 1500 jobs because they would have been laid off if the bill did not pass. Do you live in Wisconsin? Have you lived in Wisconsin? You want to name call and blame others instead of dealing with the issues. I would never vote for a person who ran away from a vote or an issue instead of standing my ground and using my right of free speech to speak what my constituents want.

@ Joseph. If you were part of a union, then you’d not get fired even if you didnt show up for weeks at a time. I had to put up with Union janitors for years. One lady spent more time out than in…and the other guy never did ANYTHING. If anyone wanted anything clean in that building they’d have to do it themselves. They were over paid,for work they didnt even do, disrespectful to the people they were supposed to be working for, and just general leeches. disband them. We dont need them anymore.nnI’ve lived in both right to work states and unionized states. If you EVER have the unfortunate need to move to a state where you have to deal with these people, your eyes will be opened.

oh please. Do you realize that there are several right to work states in the US? Look around. your worries are unfounded.

just respond to yourself and type @catsrus … Genius. …nnAnyway…wanting to believe anything someone tells you, and then calling it “bettering yourself” is a fallacy in logic. You can not find one single paper (that is preserved) from that time frame. Not one book, not one declaration not one scrap of paper written back then by our founding fathers or others that declares it was “us vs the corporations”. The only thing you revisionist have is a handful of quotes that are twisted to mean what you want them do. You can find SEVERAL very clear documents and declarations that state: It was about TAXES and the GOVERNMENT. Stop believing revisionist history then calling yourself enlightened. You sound foolish.nnAlso, the book (its “Rights of Man) was written by Paine not Payne,and he believed that the government should come from the people and not by people who inherit that authority. (this means, monarchy not corporations) It’s how this country was founded. That is why we have 2 term presidents. thats why we have senators and the house of representatives. The book is a good read, but if anyone needs to read that book to be ‘enlightened’ to America’s “revolution” they are dumber than I thought, because they LIVE it every day …and they live it every time they go to the polls.

@ JosephnnTax incentives and being GIVEN tax breaks are not the same thing. You keep saying you ‘bettered” yourself after “high school”, by continuing to learn Why don’t you learn what these so-called “cuts” (which they arent) are, and what they mean before spewing your nonsense.

@ JosephnnWhat do you mean “what companies?” Why do I have to point out companies? ITS IN THE BUDGET. The BUDGET you people keep crying about includes a provision that exempts “businesses that have not done business in the state” for two years from paying taxes. It’s STUPID for people to be mad about this. Yes, it reduces your state income, but your state is not entitled to it. I personally think it was to clear up loose ends in tax collection. I think its pretty sad something like that even has to be put into law to leash the tax collectors.nnAnother tax “break” is an incentive to hire. The companies can not claim this tax break unless they actually do something to fit the guidelines for it. Like hire people, and start projects that promote the economy. If they do not show new growth, they do not get the “break”, so you can stop harping about that “cut” because potentially every penny will go back into the government coffers at the end of the year. The 3rd major “break” is the same thing…its not a real cut…just ,money put aside for growth and development of WIs economy. NO ONE benefits from these incentives (not breaks or cuts…as they are not handed out like your welfare checks.) unless WI does. But you liberals who have no clue how money or government works, scream and protest about things you have NO IDEA about. You have no idea how all of this is GOOD for WI and the WI economy.