Michael Moore On Wisconsin: 'This Is War'

where is it a constitutional right to have CBA?? If this is such a big issue, why hasnt Obama issued CBA rights to federal workers?

The Proletariat (Working Class People) are tired of the BS being feed to them by the wealthy, The Republican Party, Wall Street and Corporations that ship jobs overseas. I’m glad to see the protest all over this Country and pray that all GOP members who don’t realize they’re suppose to represent the people get kicked out of office

Alan, you think you are right but I think you are far right. Way, way far right, as in opening the doors to fascism.

WHo is this jerk Alan Levy and why does he monopolize the responses? Enough with these thugs!

Who is this idiot Alan Levy and why does he monopolize the responses? Enough with these thugs !!

I watched Michael Moore last night and, like him, I am pissed as hell.nnThe recall petitions have already intensified and the eight targeted Republicans should be history in November, followed by Gov. Scott “KOCH-ADDICT” Walker in January 2012.nnThe legal challenges should make their ways through the Wisconsin courts in the meantime, and I’d urge the “Wisconsin 14″ to stay out of town until Gov. Walker actually signs the bill into law. For all we know, this may yet be another trick to lure them back into Wisconsin, “arrest” one of them, drag him/her into the chamber and, in 30 seconds, pass the whole budget in its original repugnant form.nnPresident Abraham Lincoln’s words (ECHOED IN MICHAEL MOORE’S WORDS ON SAT. 3/5/2011 IN MADISON, WI) reverberates in these perilous times of our Republic…nn”"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . CORPORATIONS HAVE BEEN ENTHRONED and an ERA OF CORRUPTION in high places will follow, and the MONEY POWER of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by WORKING UPON THE PREJUDICES OF THE PEOPLE UNTIL ALL WEALTH IS AGGREGATED IN A FEW HANDS and the Republic is destroyed.” n– U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 n(letter to Col. William F. Elkins) nRef: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY) “n

Don’t rely on Michael Moore to improve your job prospects anytime soon. He is long on capital destruction and short on job creation. Eventually, you have to admit that government can’t exist without viable commercial enterprises. nnNo one forces you to work in a job that requires union membership, so why should taxpayers be forced to support the extortion and money laundering tactics that characterize the likes of Michael Moore?nnCollective bargaining is a privilege, not a right.

Don’t rely on Michael Moore to improve your job prospects anytime soon. He is long on capital destruction and short on job creation. Eventually, you have to admit that government can’t exist without viable commercial enterprises. nnNo one forces you to work in a job that requires union membership, so why should taxpayers be forced to support the extortion and money laundering tactics that characterize the likes of Michael Moore?nnCollective bargaining is a privilege, not a right.n

That is an overly simplistic view of “Collective Bargaining.” nnWhile not a “right” (in the traditional sense of “constitutional rights,”) it is a desirable, morally affirming, and a long-upheld privilege in our democracy for working citizens to HAVE A SAY, HAVE A VOICE in how they are treated and rewarded for their labor.nnStanding alone, workers are vulnerable and, indeed, POWERLESS against a deep-pocketed employer like a Corportation or a State or Federal govt. body.nnHence the vital (and inevitable) need for Unions to speak with a strong voice for all represented workers.n

The people on the right have all of working America to fear, and they know it, because they are panicking enough to pull that vote that they pulled.

If you go to work at a new job, do you sit across from your employer at some point and negotiate salary, or do you just let the new employer tell you how much you are going to make? In a civil and ethical society, everyone who has bills to pay and children to feed should be able to work for a negotiated wage. Without negotiation, the people who work for giant firms are not much more than slaves. WalMart is an excellent example – their wages are so low that many of their employees qualify for government assistance like food stamps.

alan levy is a stooge paid by right wing organizations to promote their extremist views on webn sites.

What is it with the ditto-heads who can’t understand that there is nothing ironic or hypocritical about Michael Moore’s law suit? Are you really all that stupid?nIt costs money to make movies. If your movies make money, you can make more movies, or do something else with the money.nIf you make a movie, and it makes money, but you let other people swindle you out of that money, well… you have less money to work with. Duh.nFor some reason, in the minds of these rite-wing nut jobs, because Michael Moore’s politics lean to the left, he’s supposed to let people rip him off.n

This sort of violent rhetoric is totally inappropriate. In war you kill people. Republican reps have been receiving death threats after all, we should not be fanning the flames. Didn’t moveon have a cover story about toning down the violent rhetoric just a few weeks ago?

If this is war, then let’s roll out before the other side gets their big guns ready.

He has a valid points. And folks do you realize that people died for the right to collective bargaining. I don’t just mean our service men and women, I mean men and women right in this country. The rich dictate what we do in this country. Can you imagine what it would be like without some sort of collective bargaining in this country. Go live and work in Mexico for a year and you will be crying to come back to the USA and collective bargaining. Wake up people your being railroaded by the wealthy. You think they give a flying $%$$ about the working class?

Q: Why haven’t those 155 million accumulated that money themselves.nA: Because they are paying taxes to pay the government/public workers. Government workers in America average incomes of $76,500.

So lets just lay down and all work for minimum wage and piss poor working conditions. Collective bargaining is a negotiated right not a negotiated privilege. You want to talk about extortion and laundering how about ENRON. Don’t think there alone either.

You know the Proletariat (Working Class People) tried taking all the wealth from the wealthy in Russia in the 1920s. But when they got the wealth they became just like the former elite. It is a humna nature thing and capitalism is not perfect but it does allow and creat a middle class. nnNeither socialism or communism was able to produce a middle class. nnSo work your butt off and you will not need a union. Why are you working for someone else anyway, can’t you create your own job?

I knew this was coming, when the (so called) progressives start losing power they would go to the streets. Let us see if they will be as peaceful as the tea-parters were.

If you take from the rich and give to the poor the rich just get it back through their wisdom. And Unions do not dispence wisdom just mussle. Mussle is not peaceful. nnWe are about to see the real face of Unions, progressives, liberals. We will see who is mean-spirited.nnChristians pray a prayer that ask God to expose the corrupt. He has even given us the internet so we can expose the corrupt (Example: NPR, ACORN, etc.) We are seeing a spiritual transformation.

Why do people who are in the minority on this site resort to personal attack, versus sticking with the facts?nnWhy when the Tea Party members get all worked up, it’s nothing but derogatory comments about them from the left.nnYet, when the left get’s all worked up, it’s “war”? Now, remember, you’re not supposed to want people being violent, you want “calm”, you want “peace”, so try and keep the discussion civil and factual.

I couldn’t agree more, Thomas! They’re the hypocrites who can’t understand that their own reactions are violent, inflamatory, and inappropriate.

Since when is making money in America, unAmerican?nnI have yet to see any Constitutional clause stating that wealth is to be redistributed, whether by means of forced coercion (unions) or out of law.

“government can’t exist without viable commercial enterprises” is so true. Look at Cuba now, allowing private enterprise. All the communist countries had to do that.

Yes you must negotiate with your boss. Also you should work hard and show your boss the profit you are generating. Document your productive and if your boss does not reconize the profit you bring to the table, the approach his competitor. If the competitor does not reconize the benefit of hiring you at a higher wage then start your own business and put them both out of business.nnFree enterprise system, it is great.

So many teabaggers simply don’t understand the meaning of the terms they hear on Fox. Let me elucidate. Taxation, permissible under the 16th amendment, is wealth redistribution.

Why must you resort to anger and personal attack? It is also disrespectful of you to misname the Tea Party movement.nnI do not attack you, nor anyone personally. I may attack ideas, but never a person. Isn’t THAT democracy? Can you stick with facts when debating, or is your own recourse personal attack?nnAside from this, I belong to no party, Tea party or otherwise.nnWhen it comes to taxation, I am fine with paying my part for those items which we ALL need, and ALL agree upon.nnI am not fine with paying taxes which go to PUBLIC servants, themselves in unions, who turn around and collectively bargain AGAINST me, in the form of MORE taxation for THEIR pay and benefits.nnThis is a very simple premise, and I am so glad that the drapes were pulled back on just how public sector unions work.nnI admit, I really never knew how intertwined the public sector unions and Democrats really were. So glad the events in Wisconsin became national headlines, and they saw it through to return the PAY decisions over public sector employees to the tax payers, NOT union bosses.

You think you are brilliant. In your case “Brilliant” is a misnomer. Sure is convenient how all you Right wingers are on these sites claiming you are independent when true independents are against losing any rights. True independents want government to be small and stay away from limiting rights. Anybody think these people are being paid to be on here? You are not brilliant and not independent. Stop lying! Get off of here jerk.

Mr. Levy like so many other misguided citizens is under the assumption that this is a Left vs. Right issue.nIt’s actually an u201cus vs. themu201d issue. He thinks he’s one of them. And the powers that are controlling him love that he thinks heu2019s one of them, at least while they still need his vote. I know so many like him. I’m tempted to let them have their way so that in ten years when Mr. Levy and those like him that have been coerced into voting against their own interest can’t get even a minimum wage job because there is no minimum wage, Can’t get medical attention because they don’t belong to the right class. Have absolutely no voice in social or political issues because every organization that truly supported and spoke for them is gone. I wonder then will he still be equating workers standing up for their rights with communist. It will be difficult times for all of us but maybe then the real social revolution will begin. And I would bet that Mr. Levy would be up front holding the flag. :)n

Michael Moore is a moron who could not hold down a real job if his worthless life depended on it. His talking points are gross exaggerations and plain lies, but what else would you expect from this anti-American looser? We can not sustain the level of debt that out of control entitlements are costing us, it is refreshing to actually see an elected official doing what he was elected to do-fix the budget and make the tough decisions. Want to really help the “working class”? How about changing the tax code; a flat tax, no deductions, no loopholes, just everyone paying the same %. Why for instance should a husband and wife that both work, husband working 2 jobs, be penalized because they are trying to get ahead? A flat tax, without the loopholes, without deductions is fair for all. The more you make the more tax you pay…but everyone pays the same %. Nothing could be more fair or straight forward.

I knew this was coming too, all of you right wingers were told to sign up on our sites and mess with us. Can you spell?nIt would be Tea-Partyers.

Yep, a “War on Poverty” sounds violent. Leave.

Lies. “…humna…”, yeah, that;s it. Capitalism did not create a middle class, it created a working class. Unions, created the middle class.

Keep spreading your lies fascist.

You know that does not work when they are hand in hand with what they will offer you. Read your history books at the library.

Liar. This site is a liberal site. Your views are not liberal. The majority here are Liberal, not Right Wingers, nor people who claim to be independents but spew lies and right wing lines they receive in emails.

Moore knows nothing about war. I honestly don’t see how anyone can think like he does. Go ahead, assail me! That’s what a lot (not all) of you do, you smear anyone with an opposing idea or view. I see a lot of good in liberalism but not with this man. MLK he’s not!

You libs seem really, really pissed… Just imagine how pissed you’ll be when other States like Ohio follow Wisconsin’s lead. grin…

Hopefully, you are drunk. Either that, or teachers really should get compensated better, because your writing level is around 5th grade, 6th at the highest. This is the end result of not adequately funding education.

Take a look at the Scandinavian countries and their socialist governments… Take a look at Germany and France and their health care systems… Take a look at Canada…nnThere’s a lot that can be learned by studying these “socialist” societies… but, of course, Americans know better…

Page 1 of DNC playbook – don’t have a good answer on the issues, change the subject. When publicly funded unions are aligned with one party then the taxpayer is funding that party. If individuals want to make contributions, that’s one thing, but collective bargaining on the taxpayers nickel put the fox guarding the hen house. Should a bus driver be making $150K? Huge pensions for their supporters? Quid-pro-quo ??

Whats wrong with having an intelligent discussion with someone who doesn’t agree with you. Why do you resort to name calling when someone doesn’t see your side. So you want a site where everyone says the same thing over and over-no discussion. Let me guess, your one of those people who watch the same news channel, night after night, and never question it. I bet you were told things like, the tea party people were “gun toting radicals”, there raciest, all the republicans are for the rich, on and on. Oh yeah , Fox’s news lies. Knot-don’t get caught up drinking the Kool aid. Sometimes MSNBC tells a few lies. By the way, why does the left bash the wealthy and what is considered wealthy. I have asked this many times on this site and no one has answered me. There are plenty of people who work in the unions that are making over $100,000. Is this the middle class, or are they considered to be the rich. In all these discussions, we seem to be lumping all the unions together. There not all the same.

Page 1 out of the DNC playbook – no good answers, change the subject. Page 2 out of the Nazi handbook – point out an enemy and get everyone to project their hate on them. Are people really that gullible? Read Gov Walker’s arguments. Bus driver making 150K? Huge pensions for supporting the D candidate? Quid-pro-quo with tax money? Who’s buying Moore’s lies and rabbit trails anyway? BTW – Isn’t Moore filthy rich?

Are you describing what the left wants to do to corporations or Michael Moore. Government taxing business-think about it. You just described how businesses and their profits work. I ll explain later in much more depth.

You just acknowledged that I already know how businesses work. See, liberals know how businesses work. Many liberals own, manage, work at businesses.nMichael Moore bringing a lawsuit against someone he believes was cheating him has nothing to do with left or right.nStop being stupid and pretending the people who disagree with you are stupid.n

As you said,”…intelligent discussion…”. Guess away, I subscribe to as many as I can, and the right lies much more than the left ever has. Show me the union man who is in a union and makes over $100,000. Prove it!nIf he does he is working his tail off. The rich I speak of are those who live off of the people who work for them and do not want to share a reasonable amount with them. They are those who would rather make more by importing and investing elsewhere. This gives them more control of the political process by using the mass media which they mostly own since the demise of the newspapers. I would consider an$100,000/year income to be on the upper end of the middle class. Who is lumping the unions together? Good point, they belong together. HA HA HA, “…drinking the Kool aid…”. Too much sugar, or chemicals in that stuff, just like what you are feeding me is full of divisive additives.nOK, I know many Tea Party people. I speak to them. They don’t know who I am inside, I am there to see what they believe. Many talk against the blacks and Hispanics. Many talk about how people must have the right to buy any weapon they want. The left does do that.nShow me where they have. I can show you where the right has done these things. By “the right” I am included both the “Tea Party” and others. If you say you are in the Tea Party and this is not happening, you are not telling the truth.n”Lifeforchild” tells me why you support them, it’s too bad you don’t see what you are selling off to get that “lifeforchild”.

Where was Moore, when the left was passing the Health Care bill. How quickly they forget. “We won they lost”. Seems to me, 63% of Americans had no say-”We have to read the bill to see whats in it”. Where was the left when this was going on.

I am not paid, and I am neither Democrat nor Republican. I do not subscribe to any party affiliation.nnI subscribe to candidates who LIMIT government, and who LIMIT agencies, groups, organizations (in this case, unions) from ANY influence at all OVER government.nnI just want extremely limited taxes, and government as limited as possible. In fairness, I equally disdain “conservatives” who let companies influence their agendas.nnAs for why I am on this specific site, don’t take it personally, I just want to understand the liberal side of the debate.nnI’ll keep it factual, and I’ll never berate any person, nor deride any indiviual for their thoughts and beliefs.nnAre you going to afford me the same level of respect?

Are you saying that liberal ideas, and persons stating positions, cannot stand up to critical (but respectful) debate?

I believe that’s what he’s saying, yes.

Oh, yes, Americans had literally FOREVER to read the healthcare bill before it became law. nnWe have been debating health-care forever, and as soon as Obama took office, the initial building blocks started going up. People knew exactly where the law was headed. Public Option was debated to death (quite literally, as it didn’t make the cut in the final bill). The exchanges, coverage for kids on parents’ policies until age 26, the individual mandate, etc… these were all debated ad infinitum FOR MONTHS! The “last minute” changes (which lasted weeks, in fact) were online for all to see for days before the final votes were cast.nnWhen Bart Stupak and his gang of 4 (or 5 or whatever number) held the bill hostage, it was for a specific issue (abortion funding), but the bulk of the bill was still there, intact, for all to read.nnSo stop comparing the Wisconsin Scam to the health-care law. Apples and Oranges comparison, night and day between the two situations.n

So, Michael Moore, how much of other people’s money do YOU have? Perhaps YOU should handcuff yourself to Rachel Madcow.

No, I am not saying that”liberal ideas, and persons stating positions, cannot stand up to critical (but respectful) debate?”. I don’t believe you are right.nShow me respective debate, and you will get some.nI see you as being in line with the “Alan Levy”. Since you are all over this board after everyone that is leaning left. What does that imply as to your stance? That is certainly not independent.

what i don’t understand about these union people who think they are entitled to MORE than anyone else (i work as a waitress for $2 an hour and my taxes go to fund their pensions, because they get one and i don’t)… is that when communism hits and NO ONE has any money, do they reallly think they’ll get to keep there big salaries, big pensions, and big benefits? really? in which country in the world has THAT ever happened? or will richard trumpka be riding around in a limo watching us all stand in bread lines? these are most assuredly hard financial times and i’ve certainly had to give things up to balance my own budget, which is small. why on earth should unions be exempt from doing the same? and the unions criticize moneymakers for having elitist mentalities. ha!

Keep fighting, Europe is cheering for you! Finally, the country that is claiming to fight for democracy around the world is waking up and realizing it needs to be democratic too!nnHow do you live off $2 an hour? I hope you get what you deserve!

It’s about time that Americans are waking up from their 30 year downhill slide and are starting to guide this country back on track. I’m so sick of the whining of the left who keep beating the same tired drum of class warfare and blaming anyone who has taken advantage of the American dream. It’s a pathetic broken record of conspiracy theories mostly void of facts. When confronted with facts, they go on the offensive and attack personally. They are smug and condescending, just like the NPR executive clearly articulated on camera the other day. nnTaxpayers are tired of having to pay for the lavish benefits and pensions of public workers. Go Wisconsin !! n

I am a union worker who had to walk on as a scab to work on Moore’s last movie. He is just another fake, who is only interested in using this situation as promotion for himself. Go home!

WHAT??? Taxation is not weath redistribution. You can’t make up new definitions of terms to prove your point.n

Democracy won, the Democrats got what they deserved.nnYou want the law repealed? Vote out the Republicans. Follow the rules of teh US Constitution and the Constitution of Wisconsin. All of the senators who fled the state should be fired (I don’t care if they are replaced by a new batch of Democrats).nnDems would be saying the same thing if there was a way for Republicans to pull this stunt during the Obamacare voting; and they acted on it.n

I have definitely had it – Had it with public unions getting benefits and pay which far exceed the private sector thus, crushing the federal, state and other municipal government budgets- which by the way is 88% of us as unions only make up 12% of the market. We the majority of WORKING people can’t afford to carry the unions anymore.

Fair enough. So when the gay and lesbian community stops trying to redefine marriage from its original definition of being between a man and a woman, I’m sure you’ll take exception with them?nnI’m fine with keeping definitions in their original form, but then don’t make exceptions. ;)

After years, if not decades of media and the public decrying our leadership (in any of its forms) as not accomplishing anything, the Wisconsin governor comes out and accomplishes something in a way that he believes is good for the state.nnThe fact that the MAJORITY party (fairly elected) didn’t make changes that YOU like, doesn’t mean they’re wrong.nnYour only recourse, when someone sticks their neck out to try and solve a problem bigger than an 800 pound gorilla in the room, is to scream “recall”? Really?nnTypical liberals. If it isn’t “our” way, it’s wrong, so let’s recall them, or take the issue to court (even if the majority of the polulation asked for them to govern).nnObama and the Democrats, fairly elected and in the majority on a national level, get health care into law, yet the conservatives didn’t need recalls. They relied upon the ballot box at the next election to show their dissatisfaction.nnLiberal cry babies. Kicking, screaming cry babies addicted to, if not entirely the puppets of, the union gravy train and under the control of union bosses.

Have you checked any polls recently? The problem is, is that the majority party is not representing the majority. Is that how you think our politics should work?

“…when communism hits and NO ONE has any money…” nnYou mean what has been happening to the middle and working class?nn”…will richard trumka be riding around in a limo watching us all stand in bread lines?”nnProbably not.nThe Koch brothers, however? Probably.nnThe unions have already made some fiscal concessions. It’s their right to collectively bargain that they are trying to maintain – basically, the point of their existence.nn

“Since when is making money in America, unAmerican?”nnIt’s not. And redistributing the wealth isn’t either – this nation, like many others, has a long history of doing it, not least of which has been for the purpose of national defense (and other military pursuits which some might argue aren’t necessarily about defense.) There’s also having roads to drive on, educational institutions, a fire department to call when your kitchen goes ablaze…

The issue Jen is that the big cats want all of us to make $2.00 an hour. We want you to be able to make a living wage and to have health care, not just the priviledge few. It’s not Richard Trumka that wants you in a bread line, it’s the people you are supporting that want you in a bread line

I’m sorry if you’ve been attacked here. I think most of us are here for civil discussion. I genuinely want to understand the other side, just like you.

And commercial enterprises cannot exist without society. What is your point?

Maybe instead of worrying about what other people have, you should take care of yourselves-if you don’t like the pay or benefits then go work somewhere else or better yet go start your own business. Why should anyone give money to a union- does anyone know how much the union leadership makes- the real joke is on those who pay “dues”. Just wondering why people don’t save their dues and use it to start their own business.

I guess a “free” public education does have its “costs”.

Simple math = the majority party in power got the most votes in the most recent election.nnI am not talking about poll numbers, which change day to day, just ask Obama and Bush.

Take some night classes,Jen- unions are on your side. The corporations that buy politicians want them busted so they can make more profit. This is well documented throughout the history of the US.80 % of the richest companies in the US paid no taxes last year. Many received tax breaks. Stop watching Fox News and wake up to what’s happening.

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.”nn”And what country can preserve its liberties, if the rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.”nnWhat radical leftist said this?

It is always humorous to watch conservatives try to address Moore’s cogent arguments via ad hominems. I guess they can not be bothered to actually bring relevant facts to the discussion.

This is flat out wrong. Collective bargaining is a right, enumerated in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was passed by the UN in December of 1948 in response to the “barbarous acts” (including the outlawing of unions) of the NAZIs. Specifically, Article 23, Section 4, reads as follows: u201cEveryone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.u201dnnUnion rights are human rights.nnn(I won’t bother to comment on your ill-founded, “troll-like” charges against Moore.)

It would be much more fair to eliminate all the tax giveaways to the CORPORATIONS. The people are tired of being sold out in favor of big business. Period! The time has come to take back Democracy and tell CORPORATE America and the National CORPORATE Republican Party that we want our”government of the people by the people” and NO corporation will ever rule the US any longer.

These people are the government…I guess public service has turned into self service.

To me this is a moral issue. If it’s a choice between a balanced budget and the welfare of the people, I will pick the people every time.

I think that the right-wing ultimately never cares about ALL the people. It is usually interested in those who have money and tries to empower them. They already have enough power to the point where they have taken over the government. If socialism means that there should be a huge redistribution of wealth, then I’m all for it. The top 1% should not own the vast majority of assets. It’s immoral.

As I’ve said before, Brilliant, I don’t consider many of these issues to be just a discussion. To me and maybe to others here, it is about what is moral. To me your political positions are evil and hateful. I have many conservatives in my extended family and to a person, they are all horrible people. So yes, it’s beyond having a civil discussion. It’s about surviving the onslaught of republican “values”. I will never allow you to destroy me or my family…ever!

I am not interested in debate. If your views are destructive of who I am, then I will fight you.

If you want to destroy me, what else would you expect?

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Micheal Moore would like people to believe that he is just like them,just an average guy fighting against evil capitalists. The truth is that he’s a money hungry capitalist himself.He recently went and sued Harvey Weinstein for allegedly cheating him during the filming of Fahrenheit 911. Maybe he means to give all that money to the teachers union in Wisconsin,so they can give that money to Democratic representatives,who in turn will give sweetheart contracts back to the unions.

I am not sure what Moore’s lawsuit has to do with any of his social critiques (I do not know the specifics of his contract, and I doubt you do either). Are you blaming him for living in a capitalist society, and consequently bound by its rules? Similarly, his intentions for money that he may or may not be owed has nothing to do with the content of his arguments. Finally, who cares whether Moore appears to be an “average guy”? We should examine Moore’s specific arguments; examining his personal life history, his presumed intentions, or his physical characteristics does not qualify as a meaningful assessment of his position.

Democracy does not end at the voting booth. Representatives of both parties should always seek out and pursue the interests of the majority of the population (which is labor, rather than wealthy owners). If they fail to do this, it is the patriotic duty of the people to replace them with new representatives who will better meet their needs.nnFurthermore, if it becomes clear that the entire economic or political system does not seem to meet the people’s general welfare, then it too should be scrutinized, adjusted, or replaced.

This man is deranged. Michael Moore is wealthy and one of the fat cats!

learn how money works and get off your liberal rags. The profits corporations make go to the shareholders who DO pay taxes on those earnings. The liberal rags who count on the ignorance of their sheep keep harping on the “this corporation paid nearly no taxes”, when that is nothing but a red herring. Do you want ALL money taxed twice? Pay double the taxes on what you make now. Then talk.

You do not need Unions for this. There are these things called “labor laws”. Also, if a company now a days needs Unions to force benefits, then they aren’t very competitive now are they? How do the non union states survive…I wonder….You people act like you wake up in a new world every day.

They are “Well off” if they are not unionized…and “the working class” when they are right?

I knew a guy who flew commercial planes for a living. He worked as a waiter on the weekends for “$2.00″ an hour. He took home 2 grand in tips though. If they do not make up the amount for “minimum wage” in tips, the company has to pay them the rest. But if a waiter/waitress goes for a long period without making any tips, they usually get canned. Its not hard to make tips. You could be average and make good money.

Name ONE good reason people should have collective bargaining rights against the government. Just one.

its ok for michael more to make money making movies….but not corporations? ok :)

You know what is pathetic? nnClinton supported the free trade with china. What happened? Americans now buy nearly everything from China. Millions of jobs lost, shrinking middle class, and the need for lower wages in order to compete with countries that pay their people nothing.nnClinton’s equal housing laws caused the housing market collapse by forcing banks to make bad loans to the poor when they didnt want to. He deregulated hedging so that investors would be more willing to risk making these loans.nnClinton purged the massive surplus in the SS funds to pay down the debt, and people seem to think this was a “good budget”.nnThen after the meltdown of the middle class and our banks and economy, the Media Sheep turn around and blame the republicans. (soley!) for this mess. They get on their soap boxes and blame the “rich’, when the “rich” have been fked over for decades. You’re always after the “rich” blaming the “rich” when the truth is, if the democrats knew when to butt in…and butt out, our flourishing middle class would probably still be flourishing.

you’re paranoid.

“Moore’s cogent arguments “nnHAHAHAHAHHA!! HAHAHAHA BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!*wheeze* HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Please stop being stupid and pretending the people you disagree with are stupid. Did you see me saying, “It’s bad for corporations to make money.”?nNo you didn’t.nYet you act as if you did.nIf all you want to say is that corporations should be allowed to make money, you’re wasting your time, because almost no one disagrees with that.nI don’t mind corporations making money. I do mind corporations screwing me over.nI don’t mind paying my share of taxes for good government. I do mind paying more than my share of taxes for government that helps corporations screw me over.nIf you’re going to argue against me, at least disagree with something I’ve said. Don’t pick one of your senseless generalizations about people who you don’t agree with, some simple-minded straw man viewpoint, and criticize that.n

Governor Scott Walker promised to balance the budget, but he didn’t reveal his intention to strip away collective bargaining rights from public sector workers. He asked for concessions from the unions, and when he got them, he went ahead anyway with his anti-union plans. nnWalker also gave tax breaks to corporations for about the same amount as he was asking the unions to contribute (albeit for the next year’s budget), in effect taking from the middle class and giving it to the powerful moneyed class which financed his election.nnWalker is pushing for $1 billion in tax cuts to education. His agenda is clearly not, as he had stated he wanted, school reform.nnAddicted to the union gravy train? As a result of unions, we have child labor laws, minimum wage standards, a 5-day work week, health insurance (sometimes), and workplace safety standards.nnConservatives have attacked EPA, IRS, SEC, HUD, the Department of Education, the Labor department, as well as other agencies. They are trying to take us back to 1895. Conservatives are using the Tea Party’s desire for government fiscal responsibility to slash “social” spending. Yet at the same time they are slashing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, thus reducing government revenues. If deficits really mattered to conservatives, their actions would be radically different.nnConservative attacks on Social Security continue, with lies about how it is financed and claims that it is insolvent. Social Security is fully funded for another 26 years and four-fifths funded (fully with caps raised) to 2084. It is not an entitlement program; it is funded by payroll taxes. The exception to that is last December’s misguided “tax holiday” which lowered payroll taxes on workers from about 6.2% to 4.2%, with general revenues making up the difference.nnA recall is being mounted because of Walker’s lies and because of his attacks on the middle class. If voters really do approve his agenda, Republicans have nothing to fear.

Michael Moore is a hypocrite. All his movies have been produced with non-union labor. nWe know what his real position is on union labor when its his money at stakenBy the way, what is HIS carbon footprint???